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Carsten Peter Thiede (1952–2004)

Auteur van The Jesus Papyrus

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Carsten Peter Thiede is a papyrologist and one of the world's preeminent authorities on the history and texts of the first century. Thiede is Professor of Early Christian History at STH Basel, Switzerland, teaches at the Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, Beer-Sheva, Israel, and is a member of the toon meer International Papyrologists' Association. He is an ordained Minister in the Anglican (Episcopal) Church toon minder

Werken van Carsten Peter Thiede

The Jesus Papyrus (1996) 120 exemplaren
Het ware kruis van Jezus Christus (2002) 85 exemplaren
The Cosmopolitan World of Jesus (2004) 30 exemplaren
Simon Peter: From Galilee to Rome (1986) 20 exemplaren
The Earliest Gospel Manuscript? (1988) 17 exemplaren
Jesus: Life or Legend? (1990) 16 exemplaren
Jesus, Man or Myth? (2005) 12 exemplaren

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I was not an appropriate reader for this book. I appreciated the history of Judaism that was repeated, and some of the information regarding the Dead Sea Scrolls. This book desperately needed an editor and was much too detailed regarding many of the scraps of parchment found.
 
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suesbooks | 1 andere bespreking | Mar 26, 2022 |
The most interesting thing I found about this book was Thiede’s insistence on pointing out that the Dead Sea Scrolls, as revolutionary their discovery was, are not actually all that odd. There have been other scrolls found in the same area which express the same things, and all the theology expressed in the scrolls can be pieced together from other sources. If nothing else, the DSS give definitive “proof” of many things in a field otherwise filled with conjectures. But one is left to wonder if the real “revolution” of the scrolls was in showing just how shaky and unreasonable many of the vaunted conjectures were.

Thiede is interesting in that he stands between two worlds. On the one hand there is the Evangelical-inerrancy type which subconsciously regards the MT as inherently holy, and on the other hand there is the irreligious scholars who are more than willing to mock anyone who thinks these writings are holy, if given half a chance. Thiede’s approach in balancing and reasoning between the competing arguments of these camps is refreshing, though in a popular book such as this one his discussion on this point is disappointingly thin. Thiede’s approach reminded me that, even at the time the DSS were written, many of the texts were already considered sacred scripture, which means discussion of their composition and history should carefully account for them being treated with piety and devotion, while taking account of the fact that such piety at the time did not include modern ideas of a fixed inerrant text.

Thiede occasionally seems to lose track of himself, and his narrative slips into side notes, bunny trails, and sub themes on a regular basis, interrupting his overall point. He also tends to slip into his “second job” as an Anglican priest and slips into pastoral mode, and seems to be on the verge of giving a homily. His pointed critique of some of the crazy ideas popular in Christian circles are entertaining, but not always entirely appropriate in a general popular book such as this one.

Finally, one can not give a full review without mentioning the New Testament Issue. Thiede goes through piece by piece all his reasons for suggesting that the unknown fragments belong to Mark and 1 Timothy, and all the reasons why he thinks the scholarly world refuse to consider his proposal. After going through all of it I can understand why he thought the whole thing was very frustrating (the frustration almost drips off the page at times). I’m inclined to give his theory a sympathetic consideration, but in the end I believe that it is impossible to prove that the fragments are not Mark and 1 Timothy, and I also believe it is impossible to prove that they are. There simply is not enough solid evidence to prove one way or the other.

The book is very helpful in that it clearly situates the DSS in it’s proper context within the theology of Second Temple Judaism. Even the discussion of the fragments is helpful in that it shows in an engaging way what is involved in manuscripts studies and forming conclusions from the raw evidence. It would be a good supplemental book to an advanced NT studies course, or a good read for any moderately religious armchair theologian who wants to know more about the DSS.
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SWagnerWassen | 1 andere bespreking | Jul 6, 2012 |
Carsten Peter Thiede's book is a glorious example of solid Biblical scholarship which is devout at the same time and written in plain English.

This is a work which will engage everyone, from non-religious researchers of other disciplines relying on the Bible as a bundle of historical sources, to evangelical Christians eager to know more about the background of their faith, to fans of ancient history who want an insight into the temples and theatres, homes and workshops of multicultural Hellenistic cities (like Sepphoris, where Jesus probably had a job for a while).

Professor Thiede shows that those who do not take the Bible seriously work against the principles of science and claims that even tiny details in the gospels can be underpinned by other evidence, whether written or in other material form. He gives dozens of detailed examples and includes recent excavations like the alleged tomb of James, brother of Jesus, and the supposed family vault of Caiaphas, the High Priest.

While it is common practice in non-evangelical theology to dissect the Bible, as if it were layers of tales made up by barely literate and painfully clumsy writers, C. P. Thiede holds the unfashionable view that the Gospel of Matthew, for instance, is actually written by a man called Matthew, and that this Matthew was the one who followed Jesus; that he took his own notes of the Sermon on the Mount and Jesus’ other sayings (in Aramaic); and that he constructed his book to the purpose and mastered Greek well. The latter was true for Jesus himself, so Thiede, again based on the dialogue reported and on historical research.

The author also proposes that the Canonical gospels were not a belated and underground product of the Christian movement but written and published in their entirety soon after Jesus died, and were in fact known in the pagan world. An ugly drunken scene in Petronius seems to be a parody of the Last Supper! The Cosmopolitan World of Jesus proposes that our simple and orthodox idyll of the New Testament is the myth, and an educated and sophisticated culture the reality, mixed of rural and urban elements, shared between Jews and Gentiles.

Christina Egan
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c.egan | May 3, 2007 |
Could the titulus on the cover be an actual piece of the cross? Thiede puts together a compotent case. Like his other works, his thesis is hard to prove. The main leap is that the cross sat around for three hundred years without being moved, lost, or destroyed. Perhaps they were a sort of pilgrimmage point, but surely that would have been mentioned in some pre-Nicene work.
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