series to move to publisher series #2

Please continue to review and revise "Series to Publisher Series" requests from our prior thread at http://www.librarything.com/topic/102356, but post further discussion and requests to this new thread. For context (and plenty of places to start!), please see post #1 of the prior thread, http://www.librarything.com/topic/102356#2302835 -- Thank you!

http://www.librarything.com/series/rororo
http://www.librarything.com/series/rororo+Rotfuchs

Series: Φιλοσοφική και Πολιτική Βιβλιοθήκη / Γνώση

http://www.librarything.com/series/%CE%A6%CE%B9%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%86%CE...

Needs to be moved to publisher series and to the Greek LT site, not the English site.
ETA Here's a page for the publisher series. I moved one book over:
http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/%CE%A6%CE%B9%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%83%CE%BF...

Both rororo series and the Greek series have been moved to publisher series on the appropriate language page.

A call for thoughts, suggestions, opinions, & advice, please:

Pomegranate Artbooks (San Francisco, CA) published a Series, mostly by Carla Lind, that they call "Wright at a Glance" { http://www.librarything.com/series/Wright%2520at%2520a%2520Glance } not to be confused with a similarly-named "Frank Lloyd Wright at a Glance" Series by Doreen Ehrlich & Abby Moor, published by PRC (2001-2002) { http://www.librarything.com/series/Frank+Lloyd+Wright+at+a+Glance }. The Problem, if it is such, is that two Works (published by Pomegranate) appear on LT with the Series name "Wright at a Glance" embedded in Titles for multiple records, but each appears to reprint earlier Works instead of being new content for the Series. The two are: Frank Lloyd Wright's Fifty Views of Japan: The 1905 Photo Album, and The House Beautiful.

My quandry: Are two reprint Titles sufficient to warrant pulling all these Works to a Publisher Series, instead of a distinct Series in their own right? Should we omit the two, just making a Series of all Carla Lind Works? Should we make both a Series of Carla Lind's, and a Publishers Series of those PLUS the two reprints? (Am I mistaken in my belief they all go together somehow?)

I'm confuzzled. Thanks for your help!

ETA: Series links.

http://www.librarything.com/series/Published+for+the+Omohundro+Institute+of+Earl...

Definitely a publisher series, and also includes some reprints of old (e.g. 18th century) texts.

http://www.librarything.com/series/Published+for+the+Omohundro+Institute+of+Earl...

http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/Published+for+the+Omohundro+Institut...

This is a series of historical monographs, but not all of them were commissioned by the series publisher. Robert Beverley's History and Present State of Virginia, dating from 1705, certainly was not published with this modern series in mind. Its modern scholarly edition is part of the series, but even that edition has been reprinted by another publisher, outside the series. So the case seems clear.

I do regret that there is no space for a series description with this publisher series.

P.S. I posted this without realizing that rsterling (#7) had flagged the same series!

http://www.librarything.com/series/Thomas+Mann%2C+Gesammelte+Werke+in+Einzelbän...

It looks like most of it is also there.

>10 jasbro:

Why? The selections are unique and are never published outside of the Akashic series - and that constitutes a valid series in LT.

> 12: Good point, and apologies. Although, honestly, I'm unsure now why I brought it up in the first place. Advancing age, maybe? 8)

>13 jasbro: :) That's why it is called group effort, right? :)

Am I missing something here or should that one be really a publisher series? http://www.librarything.com/series/Amber+mini

Look like it should be a publisher series. But since that entry is way to the bottom of the main work page, it's likely some people don't know there is a difference here.

Looks like it may be a Polish publishers series.

A series http://www.librarything.com/series/La+Nouvelle+revue+des+deux+mondes to be created
from http://www.librarything.com/author/collectifdeuxmondes

thanks

another series to be populated http://www.librarything.com/search.php?search=Road+%26+Track&searchtype=work...

http://www.librarything.com/series/New+Testament+Library

The series description mentions ' classic volumes of scholarship. ' some of which were first published in German.

> 20: Comme ça? http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/New%2520Testament%2520Library

Thank you. I started...

>24 jjwilson61: This one is done. The member was working at cross purposes to me, so I PMed, and we finished it together.

http://www.librarything.com/series/The+Civilization+of+the+American+Indian+Serie...

This books Series should be a Publisher Series. 234 titles, which I don't have the time or will to move, but I highlight it in case anybody's looking for a project :-)

Edit:
Actually, here is the Publisher Series that somebody kicked off with 1 title: http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/Civilization+of+the+American+Indian

I hadn't seen that. I moved a few and added everything with links from the description to http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/The+Civilization+of+the+American+Ind...

This title has the advantage that you can just cut and paste.

I've now moved that one book from series and the old publisher series.

>27 Michael.Rimmer:, 28
No. I will put it back.

See all the old threads on the meaning of series and publishers series for my arguments. I don't feel like saying it all again.

I found a thread where you discussed this series, but there are 188 posts and I don't feel like reading them all - is there a summary that you could point me to?

30> The gist is that if all those books were only released by one publisher for the purpose of them being in that one series then it's a legitimate Series by LibraryThing standards (as per the Dummies Guide series rule).

Thanks, JJ :-)

I can't say that I agree. That would seem to be the very definition of a Publisher Series to me. On the other hand, I don't feel the need to enter the debate, so I'll just walk away. Thanks for the clarification, though.

From the series description you can see that several books do not fit in the LT definition of series, therefore a FULL list has to be publisher series.

>33 MarthaJeanne:
Right. So I put l put links to the few works that were not originally published for the series in the description box so all of the volumes can be accessed from the same page. Moving the whole series based on those works gains little, if any, functionality for those works and removes significant functionality for the hundreds of volumes that were originally published for the series. It is not a good trade.

>32 Michael.Rimmer: The problem is that Publisher Series is badly named. What it really should be called is Series-That-Don't-Qualify-As-Series-Under-The-LT-Definition-Of-Series.

The rule of thumb that I've been using is, if it were to be published by another publisher, would it then still be part of that series? A Nancy Drew book by any publisher is still a Nancy Drew book.

The series exception that was originally made for something like the "For Dummies..." books before we had Publisher Series has really muddied the waters. Fifty years from now, Dover might reprint one of those, maybe with a slightly different title, and it would no longer be exclusively in the "For Dummies..." series. It should have been a publisher series to begin with, but as an edge case it was tipped into Series, and now we have more confusion rather than less.

>36 PhaedraB: The series exception that was originally made for something like the "For Dummies..." books before we had Publisher Series has really muddied the waters. Fifty years from now, Dover might reprint one of those, maybe with a slightly different title, and it would no longer be exclusively in the "For Dummies..." series.

"For Dummies" books really do have a distinct feel to them; if Dover reprinted one of them, it would still be clearly part of the series. That rule has always applied to series that had some sort of internal style to them.

Taking the bait...

I'm reading the Popol Vuh in an edition unconnected with the publishers of the Civilization of the American Indian series, so to say that my edition belongs to that series is false. Civilization of the American Indian is clearly a Publisher Series.

It's an edge case I suppose, maybe it depends on how many were published outside the series?

Not an edge case, I think. Most of the editions, among which there are translations in Spanis, French, Italian etc. were published outside the series.

http://www.librarything.com/series/The+Myths

At least my copy of The Penelopiad doesn't say anything about it's being part of a series.

#41 by jjwilson61> The Series consists of contemporary retellings of major myths by prominent authors from around the world. The project, which is usually referred to in English as the "Canongate Myth Series" after the publisher who originated the idea, is an international collaboration involving 40 publishers and many of the books have been released in multiple languages.

But if the some of the works are being published by some publishers outside the series then it doesn't meet the LT definition of a series.

The language on the Canongate Myths publicity pages seems to imply that the books are being commissioned for the "project" even though there are multiple publishers involved. But it's not entirely clear.

>43 jjwilson61:: re: Canongate Myths, I would defer to general consensus whether it's properly a Series per LT's definition. I began acquiring them in a boxed set, clearly all commissioned to go together as a series. Since then, the Series has grown considerably, but always along the same lines as it's original conception. They are a series in our library regardless. Whether they are also a Series or a Publisher Series on LT seems a difference without distinction.

Bad pennies:

https://www.librarything.com/series/Cambridge+Texts+in+the+History+of+Political+...
https://www.librarything.com/series/Cambridge+Texts+in+the+History+of+Philosophy

More that need moved to publisher series:

https://www.librarything.com/series/The%252BWorks%252Bof%252BJonathan%252BEdward...
https://www.librarything.com/series/Works%252Bof%252BJohn%252BOwen

https://www.librarything.com/series/American+Exploration+and+Travel+Series
https://www.librarything.com/series/Works%252Bof%252BThomas%252BShepard

https://www.librarything.com/series/%25CE%2598%25CE%25B5%25CE%25B1%25CF%2584%25C...

https://www.librarything.com/series/Yale%252BEdition%252Bof%252BHorace%252BWalpo...

https://www.librarything.com/series/Sunshine%252BSeries

Are there other editions of Walpole's Correspondence with the same volume organization and contents?

Well, Ralph Waldo Emerson's catalog has a copy of Horace Walpole's correspondence with George Montagu, and it was not part of the "Yale Edition of Horace Walpole's Correspondence." Emerson's copy was published in London in the 19th century: https://www.librarything.com/work/11958948/book/80146028. Whether those copies have exactly the same content, I don't know.

The Yale Edition series (the name, too, suggests publisher series), is a particular multi-volume collection of Walpole's correspondence, put together by an editor named Lewis in the 20th century. There seem to have been several edited collections/selections, some also multiple volumes, of Walpole's correspondence published in the 19th century: https://www.google.com/search?q=Horace+Walpole%27s+correspondence+with+Sir+David...

Surely this is a publisher's series:
http://www.librarything.com/series/Pocket%252BClassics

Anyone feel like switching it?

The graphic novel adaptations are probably a real series.

Maybe, but there was other stuff there too. Looks like it has been pared down a little?

I took one out.

Must have been the one that I owned that alerted me to it's existence. Haha!

I just ran across this one: http://www.librarything.com/series/Atlas+Reeks, a Dutch publisher series. The same user seems to have created a lot of series which should be moved or added to existing publisher series. I'll work on it when I have time, but could use some help! Thank you!

I moved one book, (The one I own). The series seems to have been entered in .com, so I did the publishers series in .com as well, but it seems to me that it ought really to be on the Dutch site.

>57 MarthaJeanne: I agree that the publisher series should really be in the Dutch CK, but I also know that that's a bit of extra work, that may not always be convenient. We try our best, right?

This series looks like a publisher's series to me.

Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought
https://www.librarything.com/series/Cambridge%252BTexts%252Bin%252Bthe%252BHisto...

>59 al.vick:

Weren't all of those selections or written specifically for the series? If so - it should be a regular series...

Well, The City of God by Augustine of Hippo wasn't written for a series.

>62 al.vick:

I am not sure if the full text is part of the series or if it is a combination issue there...

https://www.librarything.com/series/A+John+Hope+Franklin+Center+Book

S. Ann Durham died in 1995, well before the 2009 date beside her book Surviving Against the Odds in the series, so it seems unlikely that it was written to be part of the series.

However, many other books in the series do seem to have been published in the year listed.

>64 r.orrison: WorldCat describes Dunham's Work as "A revised version of her anthropology dissertation that examines the economic importance of the blacksmithing trade in the rural Javanese village of Kajar" and "edited and with a preface by Alice G. Dewey and Nancy I. Cooper." So, it's maybe being a posthumous, trade appearance in 2009 seems not completely irrational, given her son's rise to prominence around that time. It does seem to indicate a Publisher Series, however, collecting and re-presenting works previously published elsewhere. Otherwise, I know nothing of the "John Hope Franklin Center Books," but am inclined to agree it's really a Publisher Series that needs moving. Any other insights out there?

Shouldn't this be a publisher's series?

Series: The Harvard Classics
https://www.librarything.com/series/The%252BHarvard%252BClassics

>67 al.vick: Yes. Some of them are fine, but lots aren't.

Aren't there already several publisher's series for the Harvard CLassics? Just in the past couple months I was reading a thread somewhere on LT where the variant incarnations of the HCs was being discussed...

http://www.librarything.com/search.php?search=Il+Giornale+Biblioteca+storica&amp...

I have moved a few of the series here to http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/Il+Giornale+Biblioteca+storica

Most of the numbers are bad, as there are often two books in the same pseudo Series.

(Note that this should be done for Italian.)

I moved 'Lost American Fiction' from Series to Publisher Series. I had already started to populate the pub series when I discovered th rong 'uns.

https://www.librarything.com/series/Cambridge+Medieval+Textbooks

A lot of these are translations of works first published elsewhere.

>73 MarthaJeanne:, >74 Collectorator: I'd also appreciate having examples. Looking idly at WorldCat for the first five entries, the only one that appears to have an edition "outside the series" is a Swedish language Work linked to A History of Business in Medieval Europe 1200-1550, https://www.librarything.com/work/324624. (Since I don't read Swedish and haven't Google Translated it, I'm not even sure that's not ratty data.) Thank you.

>75 jasbro:
If the Swedish title is "Företagande och handel i det medeltida Europa 1200-1550", then that is indeed the same work (same author, title corresponds).

Some already moved

https://www.librarything.com/work/3885361
https://www.librarything.com/work/1259772
https://www.librarything.com/work/97338
https://www.librarything.com/work/846325

>78 MarthaJeanne: I don't think this needs to be moved, as the works seem to be radio plays and therefore adaptations of the originals, see https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Allan_Poe_(H%C3%B6rspielserie). One of the radio plays was combined with the main work, which I fixed. Please know that I am in no way acquainted with the series, so my insight may be wrong.

The one I moved was certainly combined with the main work.

Seems like this series: https://www.librarything.com/series/Little%252BBlack%252BClassics is a publisher's series not a "standard" series.

>81 al.vick: Agreed

>82 Crypto-Willobie: The publisher's series was already there, so I just moved the ones that were missing, and deleted the regular series entries on the others.

Thanks for the effort.

I guess this is more a question of is this a publisher series rather than a series, but couldn't think where else to put it:

https://www.librarything.com/series/Henry+Holt+Reference+Book

>85 gilroy: I'd consider that, if this Series published by Henry Holt consists only (or at least primarily) of original Works available only as part of the Series, and not independently as Works of their respective Authors, it's properly a Series notwithstanding that it's offered by a single, specific Publisher. Without knowing more, I'd leave it alone ...

Can someone write a polite message to jerkwasser about what's a series and what isn't?
https://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/search.php?q=jerkwasser&f=usern...

At http://www.librarything.com/topic/265866#6154433, bluepiano points out the Series http://www.librarything.com/series/And+Other+Stories, which appears to be a Publisher Series instead.

>89 Collectorator: I think the real issue is a complete listing of a publishers output isn't a series at all.

I'm just relying on what BluePiano reported in the other thread.

>91 Collectorator: It doesn't make a single damned bit of difference whether the publisher has issued 42 books or 142. The point is that a publisher's list, whether it's a full or partial one, has been recorded as a 'series'. I hope my latest post on the other thread clarifies. I think the name of the publisher might be a source of confusion as it does sound as if it might be a subtitle carried throughout a series.

>96 MarthaJeanne: Hope I'm doing this right, 'cause I don't have time now to do it again ...

>97 jasbro: Well, you did it the way I did the one book I own there. And with relatives arriving tomorrow with a dinner party for the friends who will be putting some of them up, I didn't have time to do it for the next several days. Thank you.

Shouldn't the order be better?

It was the same way as a series.

that's because the way they're entered now doesn't sort properly. adding pipes now.

>100 MarthaJeanne:, >101 JerryMmm: The Publisher Series, for convenience: http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/Imeline+Teadus

I've begun deleting ". raamat" from each Publisher Series CK field, and they're falling in more logical, numerical order.

ETA: Oops! I now see what JerryMmm meant by "adding pipes now." Anyway, they're now in order, which is what we wanted, and they're consistent, which satisfies the foolish hobgoblin of my little mind. If I should go back and re-add pipes, book numbers (with or without the ordinal "."), and Estonian "raamat," (i.e., "the book"), please advise.

I thought perhaps that was some indication somewhere on the book so didn't touch it. But I got called away part way through so thanks for finishing.

This series looks as if it should be a Publisher's Series?

https://www.librarything.com/series/Cassell+-+The+Military+Classics+Collection

>105 Collectorator: Because it appears to be a collection of previously published 'military classics' from different sources rather than a group of books that were commissioned as a series. For instance Small Back Room is a novel published in 1943 while Against All Odds is non-fiction published in 1995.

And as it turns out there is already a Publisher Series for these titles: https://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/Cassell+Military+Classics
but while some books are currently in both, not all are.

>104 Crypto-Willobie: I agree. I recently migrated such a "Series," referencing the new / alternative Publisher Series in "Series Description." If you're interested, see http://www.librarything.com/series/A%20Mulholland%20/%20Strand%20Magazine%20Shor...

ETA: There were "only" 9 entries in the proposed Series, but more in the Publisher Series. I went ahead and migrated them to appear together in one place.

http://www.librarything.com/series/Week+van+het+Christelijke+Boek clearly is not a Series. Without limitation, Elizabeth Musser's Waiting for Peter stands alone.

ETA: Done: http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/Week+van+het+Christelijke+Boek

The works are written for the series. Similar to kinderboekenweek. Maybe sometimes they get republished?

https://www.librarything.com/series/I+Can+Read+Books

>110 gilroy:, I presume the proposal is just to transition from a Series to a Publisher Series of the same name, description, and title sequence; but I'd request confirmation first, since 669 records is a LOT to change ...

>111 jasbro: Actually, I made an assumption when I posted that, only to dig more and realize I was wrong. The description on the series threw me off...

Not a Series to move, per se, but I'd welcome help collecting and organizing the Publisher Series http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/Blackstone%27s+Statutes, based in part on http://www.librarything.com/search.php?search=Blackstone%27s+Statutes&search...

A question: Why shouldn't the Library of America Special Publications Publisher Series be a Library of America Special Publications Series also (or instead)?

To quote the inestimable timspalding:

"What isn't a series?

"{1} Series was designed to cover groups of books generally understood as such .... . A good rule of thumb is that {2} series have a conventional name and {3} are intentional creations, on the part of the author or publisher. ... . Avoid series that cross authors, unless {4} the authors were or became aware of the series identification ... .

"Also avoid publisher series, {5} unless the publisher has a true monopoly over the 'works' in question. ... ."

{Brackets added for reference.}

It seems to me that the "Library of America Special Publications" may not exactly fit criteria {1} except in a high-level conceptual sense, but they aren't too far from criteria {2}, and they squarely fit criteria {3}, {4} and {5}.

Discuss ...

>114 jasbro: That publishers series includes

Tarzan of the Apes

A Princess of Mars

Is this a weird suggestion?

What if, instead of having two separate but parallel series structures, there was just one big structure, and the distinction between the two kinds of series was made within that structure?

We wouldn't have to be constantly moving things between the two Series structures, and sometimes bickering with each other about it. And it would solve the problem of hybrid series where some entries are genuinely written for the series and others are reprints written under different auspices.

The purpose here would not be to eliminate the conceptual distinctions between kinds of series, it would just be to express them differently. Using checkboxes, explanations, whatever... not sure exactly how it would work but I think it could be made to work.

>115 MarthaJeanne: A very good point. Those certainly don't belong in a Library of America Special Publications Series so, at a minimum, it wouldn't be a one-to-one correlation.

>116 Crypto-Willobie:, I think that's an excellent idea, which I'd like to see LibraryThing explore. It would also give me one less Talk thread to follow.

Is this a publisher's series? Or what is this?
https://www.librarything.com/series/The%252BBest%252BBook%252BClub%252BEver%252B...

Book Club Edition? This looks like a publisher's series if I ever saw one.

https://www.librarything.com/series/Book%252BClub%252BEdition

Another publisher's series:
https://www.librarything.com/series/A%252BDell%252BYearling%252BBook

Let me know if you all think these should be moved to a publisher's series or just deleted....

>118 al.vick: >119 al.vick: >120 al.vick: What they all seem to have in common is a certain newish member. I have left a message.

I, personally, don't see the usefullness of any of these, but I would give the member a chance to move them before deleting.

>118 al.vick: >119 al.vick: >120 al.vick: >121 MarthaJeanne: I concur with MarthaJeanne. At best they're Publisher Series, but only if some edition of each identified Work shares a Publisher in common with an edition of each of the others. Otherwise, none of the Works appear to share the characteristics of a Series as stated in the "Series?!" sidebar. Perhaps a private message to each of the Members who've contributed to each Series is in order, maybe to see what they hoped to accomplish and - at a minimum - gently guide them to more appropriate cataloging?

I've physically re-examined the books which is the only way to truely determine any changes. >120 al.vick: These books were taken from the word "book" like many other Series include. However it does also include possible publisher name. Those will be moved to a Publisher Series.

>119 al.vick: Is a Series of books also marked as "Disney's Wonderful World of Reading". It was thought at first that "Book Club Edition" was also unique and just a nomenclature and not a real 'edition'. If anything it should've been "Disney's Book Club Edition". However, thinking twice on it I'm not even sure it should be a Publisher Series. These will be deleted and noted in the "Publication" field.

>118 al.vick: I think is a different matter. "The Best Book Club Ever - Selected Editions" is an intentional, unique trademark of a group of uniquely make books and boldly stamped on the cover. I can agree to remove "Selected Editions" if that's bothersome, but it IS a Series. It fulfills at least the first 2 rules of a Series (1. Does that series have a conventional name, and is it an intentional creation, on the part of the authors or publisher? 2. Are books in the series distinct enough from other books to be consistently separate on the "works" level?) I see it as no different than any other marked Series of books. I disagree with using 'editions' to keep books out of Series. The definition of a series of books is different editions. All books can have separate grouped editions specifically marked by the author or publisher (or both) for additional sale especially if it is a widely used title. Kinda funny I'm debating this and I didn't even create the Series. But if it's that big a deal to all of you then I can move it to a Publisher Series. But with reservations.

Give me at least a day to make changes as my time is limited today.

cool, thanks!

I haven't had time to study this one, but first impression is it's a Publisher series (at best): http://www.librarything.com/series/And+Other+Stories

>126 jasbro: According to Amazon, the name of the publisher is 'And Other Stories' The first one listed (2), was first published in German.

In my opinion all the books of a publisher do not make even a publisher's series.

The next one has both an ebook edition (from And Other Stories) and a paperback edition (from Bloomsbury USA)

The next one was first published in Spanish.

This 'series' has already been removed once. but was quickly put back in. (2016)

Another series entered by this member is http://www.librarything.com/series/Pelican+Introductions which should be a publisher's series. The first edition of the first book was published by Bloomsbury.

>127 MarthaJeanne: Done; thank you.

https://www.librarything.com/series/The+Universe+History+of+Art+and+Architecture

This came out originally in German. (https://www.librarything.com/series/Belser+Stilgeschichte)

It does seem to have translated as an entire series. How do we deal with this sort of thing?

>129 MarthaJeanne: It looks like a Series to me.

I'm unsure whether this is a Series / Publisher Series problem, but note https://www.librarything.com/series/History+of+European+Civilization+Library and https://www.librarything.com/series/Library+of+European+Civilization appear to consist of largely the same Works. Is there something I'm missing? If not, is the effective Series duplication warranted? TIA.

DONE

Publisher series to fill

https://www.librarything.it/publisherseries/Manuales+Gallach

https://www.librarything.it/search.php?search=MANUALES+GALLACH&searchtype=ne...

thank you >133 jasbro:

>132 supersidvicious: I think we've got them all on the Publisher Series page now, and those with apparent numbers are identified as such (including a couple of combining opportunities taken). I presume the others require research to identify and add appropriate sequence numbers as we can. Please take a look and let us know if there's something more to do now.

ETA: FWIW, a quick Google search of "Agronomía di Aurelio López Vidaur," (https://www.google.com/search?q=Agronom%C3%ADa+di+Aurelio+L%C3%B3pez+Vidaur&...:), easily identified number 33. I'll gladly try to ID more when I have time.

ETA #2: I think those we have thus far are done. Next steps would be

• to locate LT records for volumes that didn't come up in your search, and
• to add a Publisher Series for Maueles Soler, which apparently was the precursor to Manueles Gallach.

Done

series Visual QuickStart Guide

https://www.librarything.com/series/Visual+QuickStart+Guide

to be filled

https://www.librarything.com/search.php?search=Visual+QuickStart+Guide&searc...

thank you

>134 supersidvicious: The Visual QuickStart Guide Series is filled, as requested, but no doubt could still use a good bit of further review and possibly clean-up. If you also meant to move it to a Publisher Series, that'll hafta be a job for another day (with apologies). At least they should all be here now ...

>136 jasbro: that’s great, thank you! I don’t see the need to move it to publisher series as all the works were created specifically for the editor, it that’s up to you.

series

https://www.librarything.com/search.php?search=How+to+Do+Everything+with&sea...

to be filled

https://www.librarything.com/search.php?search=How+to+Do+Everything+with&sea...

thank you

done please merge

https://www.librarything.com/series/Pragmatic+Programmers

https://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/Pragmatic+Programmers

and complete the resulting series

https://www.librarything.com/search.php?search=Pragmatic+Programmers&searcht...

For the record, I moved Critical Explorations in Science Fiction and Fantasy to publisher series. Added missing numbers, where needed.

>138 supersidvicious: Your post includes two links to the Seach; I presume

• you meant one link to be the Series, How to Do Everything,
• you didn't mean to link the Series, Rock 'n' Roll Murders (yeah, that seems a nonsequitur/no brainer - but it actually came up!), and
• you didn't mean to include How to Do Everything with Markers, which seems maybe a little less obvious.

The Series and its individual entries needs further review, refinement, separations (if any), combinations, and general clean-up, but at least it's all there now (I think ...). Thanks for your help!

ETA: FTR, >138 supersidvicious: took about 40 minutes, so I'm gonna hafta come back later if I'm also gonna do >139 supersidvicious:. In the meantime, please advise which way we're going with "Pragmatic Programmers": Should it be a Series (my bet), or a Publisher Series?

>141 jasbro: thank you for your help.

How to Do Everything, Rock 'n' Roll Murders and How to Do Everything with Markers, you are right

I would move Publisher Series to Series for "Pragmatic Programmers"

>142 supersidvicious: Good; thanks again for your confirmation and guidance. See what you think of the Series, Pragmatic Programmers now. Like How to Do Everything above, the Series (not a Publisher Series) and its individual entries still need further review, refinement, separations (if any), combinations, and general clean-up. I did a few that seemed obvious; at a minimum, it should all be together in one place now.

>143 jasbro: thank you for your great job

Black Dog Music Library, http://www.librarything.com/series/Black+Dog+Music+Library
Black Dog Music Library, http://www.librarything.com/series/Black%20Dog%20Opera%20Library

ETA:On review, I presume these are properly organized as a Series, given that Black Dog Library Works apparently match recordings with books of original, related content.

Surely this is a publisher's series?
None of these hundreds of titles were written for Little Blue Books...

http://www.librarything.com/series/Little+Blue+Books

A lot of these need combining, too. Never mind with a main work, even in the series.

i made a start.

>146 Crypto-Willobie:, >147 MarthaJeanne: I'm not familiar with these Little Blue Books. I get that some titles previously organized as part of a Series (e.g., Lady Windemere's Fan) clearly weren't written nor ever intended to be part of the Publisher's Series; but other titles (e.g., the catalogs and index), some anthologies (e.g., Great Stories of the Sea), and certain of the essays (e.g., Tolstoy, his life and writings) appear to have been prepared, collected, or written specially as Little Blue Books. If the Little Blue Books generally aren't clearly one or the other, but apparently some of both, I'd appreciate Combiners sharing their thoughts on how to best organize them for LT.

In case anyone hasn't seen it, some potential changes to series are in the works: https://www.librarything.com/topic/314171

>148 jasbro: I've moved several that were already combined with other editions.

A Series in the LibraryThing sense is one in which all copies of the works belong in the series. Lord of the Rings is one example, the "for Dummies" books is another example.

There are many works in the Little Blue Books series that are not exclusive to that series, therefore it is a Publisher Series.

Lady Windermere's Fan is a perfect example of why Little Blue Books is a Publisher Series, not a regular Series. It's a stand-alone book, not a part of any Series, but was often published as part of various publishers' series.

http://www.librarything.com/series/Carolrhoda+Nature+Watch

Many of these were first published in German.

>148 jasbro: If people want a full list it needs to be in publishers series. Anyone with a copy of a work in the series list that is not a Little Blue Book is justified in deleting the series listing. Of course, those works that only exist as a LBB can stay in the series, but few people are going to be happy with that.

The way to look at it is not whether a particular book in your hand is part of a series or a publisher series, but whether the series as a whole is a series or a publisher series. Little Blue Books is clearly a publisher series, so it should be in the publisher series field for all of the works, even ones that were written specifically for Little Blue Books. It's one or the other - series or publisher series - it can't be both. You can't say "for Tolstoy, his life and writings Little Blue Books is a series" but "for Lady Windermere's Fan it's a publisher series".

I disagree strongly with the statement "Of course, those works that only exist as a LBB can stay in the series". LBB is a Publisher Series.

Yes. That's my understanding, based on a lot of discussion over the years. E.g. https://www.librarything.com/topic/102369 discussing the Viking Portable Library series. I thought that was the purpose of this thread.

Are you saying you think it's reasonable for half of the Little Blue Books to show up on a Series page and the other half to show up on a Publisher Series page?

I'll leave that open for discussion. Feel free to bring up any series you want to talk about.

Little Blue Books regularly reprinted already-existing works, so it's clearly a Publisher Series, not a series.

LotR is a series, because every book in it is part of the series regardless of who publishes it or how it's published. The Two Towers will always be part of the Lord of the Rings, no matter who publishes it.

Little Blue Books is a publisher series because if someone else published the books in it, that book wouldn't be part of the series. Lady Windermere's Fan when published by Little Blue Books is part of the Little Blue Books publisher series, but when published by Penguin it's not part of the Little Blue Books series.

But you know this and you're just stirring things up so I won't be responding to you in this thread again.

Why can't there be such a thing as a 'mixed series'?

With half the books on a Series page and the other half on a Publisher Series page? It seems to me that a huge part of the reason for adding series information is to collect all the books in one list.

I suppose you could have a Little Blue Books series that just listed the books that were written for the series, and a Little Blue Books publisher series that listed all of the Little Blue Books.

But then what's the point of the series, if they're all listed in the publisher series?

>163 r.orrison:

No, we would have to use my 'toggle-between-series' idea where the series is just listed and its nature -- author, publisher, or mixed -- can be toggled. ConceptDawg seemed to like the idea but other than that it hasn't gained much traction.

https://www.librarything.com/series/Hippocrene+Practical+Dictionary Hippocrene Practical Dictionary.

I just got Scots-English English-Scots Dictionary https://www.librarything.com/work/2764365 and it's from Lomond Books, and doesn't mention Hippocrene at all, either on the cover or the title page or back thereof. (Basically same cover, but with no mention of Hippocrene.) Looking at the covers on the series page, the Gaelic dictionary also comes from Lomond, and Albanian, Bulgarian, Dari and Yiddish don't mention Hippocrene on the cover shown, even if they have other covers that mention Hippocrene on the cover.

Then and There Series: I have some questions.

Via some authors, I found the Then and There Series -- okay, three series. I combined the three book series (Then and There, Then & There Series, Then and There Series). Then I realized that it's a publisher series from Longman, and I made it into publisher series instead.

There seem to be four relevant publisher series: The Medieval World, the 16th & 17th centuries, the 18th century, and the 19th & 20th centuries. It seems that this info was entered mostly by Nevov in 2015.

1. Does anyone know of an authoritative listing of these books? The mentions in WorldCat are likely incomplete, and apparently Longman no longer publish these books.
2. What about the Then and There Series books that cover the world before the Middle Ages?

(Also, I am NOT a series person. Please let me know when I did something wrong -- or not as well as I could have.)

>166 karenb: If all the books were only published in the Longman series, then it is a series, not a publishers series.

Why split the series up into sections?

>167 MarthaJeanne: Thanks, I'm still figuring series out.

I don't know why the series was split into sections. That is one reason I'd love to know more about the series. (Longman no longer publishes it; I checked.)

http://www.librarything.com/series/Twayne%27s+World+Authors+Series

• Without limitation, http://www.librarything.com/work/1582341 was first published in France as Réponses: 1954-1974 (1974), not as part of Twayne's series.

can you please add the Series Sandman Mystery Theatre to these works?

https://www.librarything.it/search.php?search=Sandman+Mystery+Theatre&search...

thank you

rsterling, is http://www.librarything.com/topic/102356#2302835 taken care of?

Do we need publisher series for both Insel-Bücherei (currently 836 works) and for Insel-Bücherei AG (currently 390)? For the sake of efficiency, I suggest keeping the former over the latter, recognizing there appears to be a good bit of overlap. Your thoughts?

http://www.librarything.com/series/Compactos+Anagrama (mostly, if not completely, in the Spanish CK)

Done, there was already the publisher's series.

Done.
In French CK there are a lot of series that duplicates publisher series, as:
https://www.librarything.com/series/Biblioth%C3%A8que+de+la+Pl%C3%A9iade%2C+Gall...
https://www.librarything.com/series/Grande+biographie%2C+Fayard
https://www.librarything.com/series/Les+nouvelles+%C3%A9tudes+historiques%2C+Fay...
https://www.librarything.com/series/Le+livre+de+poche%2C+Librairie+g%C3%A9n%C3%A...
https://www.librarything.com/series/La+vie+quotidienne%2C+Hachette

I'm working on
https://www.librarything.com/series/Folio%2C+Gallimard
and
https://www.librarything.com/series/Blanche%2C+Gallimard

http://www.librarything.com/series/KOD
http://www.librarything.com/series/Os%252Bpensadores

I don't know if it's the right place but all this works need to have author corrected

https://www.librarything.com/author/incimportedbyyulo

>178 supersidvicious: I'm not sure we've really got a good place for such requests yet, but this seems as good as any; either here or the "Combiners! Please Fix This Book" thread.

I managed to fix the first entry on the list, Fußballgötter, by identifying the correct author Boris Pfeiffer, through its WorldCat.org record, combining the "Yulo" copies with the Pfeiffer copies, then editing "Add other authors" to line up the work with Pfeiffer. That's a long enough process, it's gonna take some diligence to slog through all of these ... we'd best get started. Thanks for highlighting it!

ETA: 10 down, 77 to go ...

I did one. It was an old Amazon.com entry. The current info there is good.

>179 jasbro: (I think I did 9), 48 to go...

The Star War Comics are NOT the same book.

Some of these the data is soooooo bad.

>178 supersidvicious:
>179 jasbro:
>182 MarthaJeanne: Wondered if any of you are familiar with these two LT member accounts... https://www.librarything.com/profile/timjdarling and https://www.librarything.com/profile/timjdarling2

I have worked on/off on these entries, as has numerous others. I kept thinking someone would help the person figure out how to correct their imports, but it doesn't appear to have happened. I "searched" Combiners!, and no results returned. Do you have any ideas as to how this can be dealt with en masse, if management doesn't address it?

ETA1: added person/corrected grammar
ETA2: edit correction

We are NOT allowed to tell people they have lousy data.

>184 MarthaJeanne: I know that "I" would not/should not do that... but, I doubt the individual meant to import their data the way it was done. The 2nd account appears to be a 2nd attempt (and some improvement) in the data transported in. I figured someone in management might reach out to see if they could help the individual. Since that hasn't happened, and many minions (including me) having been working at incorporating the works into LT, I was asking here if any of you had ideas/suggestions, as it was not addressed in Combiners! (that I could find).
After the responses regarding ( https://www.librarything.com/author/incimportedbyyulo ), it brought these bigger accounts to mind.

>183 Conkie: unluckily I don't know this LT member

>183 Conkie: Suspect this was a dump and go. They tried, failed, got frustrated, and just left. So we're left with a mess

>187 gilroy: Agree.

I shouldn't probably admit to this, but I enjoy figuring out patterns and puzzles like the accounts being discussed. It's a large part of what I like to do on LT. However, the sheer magnitude of those two... I burned out on them, and wade in only occasionally... :(

>178 supersidvicious: >180 MarthaJeanne: >181 Conkie: >187 gilroy: https://www.librarything.com/author/incimportedbyyulo is done. I suspect it was the ratty Amazon data, at least partly because there are multiple LT members who have these works.

FYI... I just found another large library brought on during Covid shutdown that will need to integrated with LT titles. https://www.librarything.com/profile/MaryCourtney. Appears to be easier to identify the titles and authors than the one referenced in >183 Conkie:, but work to do anyway.

>178 supersidvicious: >183 Conkie: >190 Conkie: We've got:

• Combiners! : Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread (currently up to #82);
• Combiners! : Blocks to combining that affects large numbers of copies (Sorry, too much love!) (currently #3); and
• Librarything Series : series to move to publisher series (currently #2, although New Series may make more moot).

Do we need a new, different sort of thread to focus and entice Combiners! to tackling integration of odd authors and libraries such as these?

>191 jasbro: That's a great idea!

It would be awesome to focus not only on integrating more difficult works, but provide ideas, etc. to help new LTers fix their imports (i.e., a place to go)... if I might tip my hat to the business Planet Fitness for use of their motto... to provide new LTers a "judgement free zone" to learn.

>192 Conkie:, et al.: Now taking suggestions on where (in Talk) to start a new thread, what to call it, and what to say in a first post. Your thoughts?

>193 jasbro:

How about something like...
_______________________

HELP! The place to go when "Imports Gone Wild"

or YOUR "import" problems are OUR "import" problems... No Blame Game allowed!
_______________________

Then in the opening salvo, indicate this is the thread to ask for help when:
_______________________

1. Ones large import to LT didn't "take" well
2. One has discovered a fellow LTer's account where it appears they had trouble with their import
3. One has stumbled upon a non-human "author" which has multiple works flowing to it because of a problem with ratty data imported from a works source (such as Amazon)

Post here because you need crowdsourcing help to fix a large problem you have or discovered...

Examples using Screenshots are welcome... Throwing some shade is NOT
_______________________

Thoughts??

ETA: reword

>193 jasbro: and >194 Conkie:

What about a new group called "Crowdsourcing LT HELP" ??

Maybe this new group could be "announced" in Top News... kind of an Outreach-type notice??

ETA: 2nd line

I've been starting separate threads in combiners group to enlist help for authors I'm not familiar with enough to tackle on my own. It seems appropriate for legit authors as it provides room for discussion as needed without other requests interspersed.

Perhaps a dedicated thread for non-existing authors and other similar messed up data such as the one above? But anything that takes time and is non-trivial job is probably better off with a thread of its own.

I believe The Lives of the Mongol Warlords should be a publisher series - the works have been published as a set by the Folio Society, but the copies of two of the works by different publishers that I own have no indication of being part of such a series.

>197 AndreasJ: Then go into the new series system, and check the bullet selection from series to publisher series?

>198 gilroy:

I didn't know you could do that, so thanks for making me go look. Should be fixed now.

>196 SandraArdnas:
Could you post a link or two regarding: I've been starting separate threads in combiners group to enlist help for authors I'm not familiar with enough to tackle on my own.
I just read your message and went to Combiners! Didn't find any??

>200 Conkie: Karl May https://www.librarything.com/topic/320192

Huw Jones https://www.librarything.com/topic/309380

Rudolf Steiner https://www.librarything.com/topic/295112

Since it's so easy now to move a series to and from a publisher's series, is this thread needed anymore?

>201 SandraArdnas: I made the incorrect assumption that the threads you started were recent. My bad. :( Thanks for the info!

>202 jjwilson61: It's still a place to discuss whether to move from one to another. It's just easy to do now

>203 Conkie: Karl May is relatively recent and possibly still needs work. But it requires at least better command of German than my very basic one, and preferably someone more familiar with his books.

Either way, I think a thread for a single author is more likely to get noticed and attract help from people better equipped to help

series to be populated

https://www.librarything.com/nseries/251485/GEO-Saison

https://www.librarything.com/search.php?search=GEO+Saison&searchtype=newwork...

>205 supersidvicious: so populate it? This is a thread to ask if something should be moved, now, really.

>206 gilroy: any idea where should I post it? thank you

>207 supersidvicious: are you asking for help in learning how to add works to a series? There's a wiki page that might provide some answers.

https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/Series

>208 aspirit: no, I don't have time to create the series, I was looking for a volunteer...

>209 supersidvicious:
Done.

>209 supersidvicious: ah, okay. Petroglyph got it. The thread for next time--

https://www.librarything.com/topic/321278

>211 aspirit: thank you