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1VenusofUrbino
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/tv-column/post/only-on-live-tv-wolf-blitzer-...
See what happens when you assume, Wolf?
See what happens when you assume, Wolf?
4Amtep
She missed such a perfect moment for saying "Actually I"m a bit upset with the Lord for sending that tornado"
5Noisy
She should have said: "Actually 'The Lord' is a fictional cat - my cats are called Tom and Jerry."
7Jesse_wiedinmyer
Claws+Tornado is probably not a good combo.
8Taphophile13
Lawmaker Comes Out as Atheist During House Prayer
http://www.policymic.com/articles/43845/juan-mendez-atheist-congressman-delivers...
http://www.policymic.com/articles/43845/juan-mendez-atheist-congressman-delivers...
9weener
It's nice that we're getting to the point where people can let others know they are atheists without being Hitler.
10amysisson
I think it still depends a lot where you live. That woman may suffer repercussions. I live in Texas. I don't generally go around announcing it, although I will say either "I'm not religious" or "I'm an atheist" when asked.
But yes, progress.
But yes, progress.
11rastaphrog
The article I read on this had a slightly different reply from the woman in it
“I–I’m actually an atheist,” she responded. After the awkward laughter that followed, she added, “We are here and you know, I don’t blame anybody for thanking the lord.”
“Of course not,” Blitzer replied.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-wolf-blitzer-asks-atheist-tornado-survivor-if-sh...
Given the circumstances, the womans reply was a lot more polite than could have been given.
“I–I’m actually an atheist,” she responded. After the awkward laughter that followed, she added, “We are here and you know, I don’t blame anybody for thanking the lord.”
“Of course not,” Blitzer replied.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-wolf-blitzer-asks-atheist-tornado-survivor-if-sh...
Given the circumstances, the womans reply was a lot more polite than could have been given.
12keristars
For those concerned about potential repercussions, I've heard that she's openly involved in her local atheist organization, so is probably prepared and has a support network in place. :)
13southernbooklady
It speaks volumes about the kind of culture we live in that Blitzer didn't think twice about asking her to make a statement of faith and even pressing her about it. This is news? They are surrounded by tragedy and devastation and he angles for tea party moment? He can't just ask how she feels, he's got to ask if she's giving due credit to god? It's not like the woman was running for office.
14CliffordDorset
But don't you blind unbelievers realise that she was the target of God's tornado? She should be trembling, lest Charlton Heston decides to give God a (cold, dead) hand.
16Sandydog1
It was OK after all. I don't think it's too embarrassing for Blitzer. He's just doing his job, so to speak.
But I wonder, would he had said the same thing if he was covering a similar meteorological event in CT, MA, VT, or NY? What about Alberta? What about Sweden (ok, ok, I know there aren't a lot of twisters in Sweden).
But I wonder, would he had said the same thing if he was covering a similar meteorological event in CT, MA, VT, or NY? What about Alberta? What about Sweden (ok, ok, I know there aren't a lot of twisters in Sweden).
17paradoxosalpha
> 16 He's just doing his job, so to speak.
Too bad his job is pandering to the prejudices of his viewers, rather than committing journalism.
Too bad his job is pandering to the prejudices of his viewers, rather than committing journalism.
18Atomicmutant
I actually think it's a great moment for Atheism.
She responded with a smile, and warmth, and humanity,and it shows a human side to those who would demonize Atheists.
Plus, she was holding a baby and not eating it. Big PR bonus, there.
She responded with a smile, and warmth, and humanity,and it shows a human side to those who would demonize Atheists.
Plus, she was holding a baby and not eating it. Big PR bonus, there.
19Bookmarque
Maybe an atheist ate your baby. (in my best Elaine does Aussie accent).
20WholeHouseLibrary
Don't we atheists just love them baby-back ribs!
23jbbarret
On an invitation to a barbecue that I received: "Please state if you are bringing chidren for catering purposes".
24Jesse_wiedinmyer
Aren't there labor laws where you come from?
25jbbarret
I hope you're not suggesting that they were made to work before being eaten. Although it might be an idea. Perhaps next time.
26paradoxosalpha
Industrious children aren't as tender as idle ones.
27Jesse_wiedinmyer
Idle hands are the devil's playthings and make mighty good eatin'.
28Sandydog1
And to think I just read A Modest Proposal only a few weeks ago...
29varielle
Salon strikes again with a study that says spiritual people are more likely to commit crime than atheists. http://www.salon.com/2013/06/12/study_the_spiritual_more_likely_to_commit_crimes...
30WholeHouseLibrary
They actually needed a study to figure that out?
My own observations have shown me that the more religious one claims to be, the more likely one will engage in criminal behavior.
My own observations have shown me that the more religious one claims to be, the more likely one will engage in criminal behavior.
31Mr.Durick
You might have a look at the article and note that they distinguish between spiritual and religious people. And you might also look at a fuller representation of the facts: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130612144732.htm.
Robert
Robert
32paradoxosalpha
Interesting that the largest of the four categories by far among 14,000 respondents was "neither spiritual nor religious." I was trying to figure out why that would be so much higher than is usually reported for the general population. The answer appears to be youth. This study was directed to adolescents and young adults, with an average age of 21.9.
33AsYouKnow_Bob
WHL at #30: My own observations have shown me that the more religious one claims to be, the more likely one will engage in criminal behavior.
"The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons."
- Emerson
34WholeHouseLibrary
Yeah, except I'm an atheist, and just on principle, wouldn't even think of stealing Emerson's or even your silverware.
35varielle
Books though are another matter. I might filch a few books, but then I'd feel bad about it and bring them back along with a few more that I think you would like. :)
36WholeHouseLibrary
Well, yeah, books, of course. That goes without saying. (And usually, not unlike this, the less said, the better.) Mum's the word.
37Sandydog1
I would NEVER steal any of your books! I may leaf through it, jot down the title, borrow it on inter-library loan, and return it on time or, late with a few cents penalty.
But then again, I've absolutely no more room for a single book over here.
But then again, I've absolutely no more room for a single book over here.
38Helcura
One thing that I noted at the bottom of the Science Daily article was that the "spiritual but not religious" group was also associated with being victims of criminal behavior and higher rates of depression. So I question that there is any causal association with being "spiritual but not religious" and higher criminality. It's also notable that the group was composed of young adults - not a very representative group since religious beliefs often change radically (sometimes more than once) during young adulthood.
39AsYouKnow_Bob
So I question that there is any causal association with being "spiritual but not religious" and higher criminality.
Not necessarily a direct link, but indirect: "spiritual but not religious" are more likely to be young, which probably is what puts them at greater risk for "being victims of criminal behavior".
(...and maybe something similar is at work for the correlation with "depression" too - - but I'd have to look up some data to back up that claim....)
Not necessarily a direct link, but indirect: "spiritual but not religious" are more likely to be young, which probably is what puts them at greater risk for "being victims of criminal behavior".
(...and maybe something similar is at work for the correlation with "depression" too - - but I'd have to look up some data to back up that claim....)
40Meredy
39: "spiritual but not religious" are more likely to be young
Do you have any stats for this? Is the implication that people become more religious as they age? That doesn't jibe with my experience.
Anecdotal evidence doesn't amount to much in the way of proof (although it can supply disproof of sweeping generalities), but I do know a lot of people who would describe themselves as spiritual but not religious, and few of them are young.
Do you have any stats for this? Is the implication that people become more religious as they age? That doesn't jibe with my experience.
Anecdotal evidence doesn't amount to much in the way of proof (although it can supply disproof of sweeping generalities), but I do know a lot of people who would describe themselves as spiritual but not religious, and few of them are young.
41AsYouKnow_Bob
Stats? The first Google hit for "religious affiliation by age group" is
http://www.pewforum.org/Age/Religion-Among-the-Millennials.aspx
Is the implication that people become more religious as they age?
Well, no, that's a snapshot at one instant of time, not longitudinal view of people-changing-over-time. The implication is that young people are increasingly less likely to automatically adopt the religious traditions of the older generation.
http://www.pewforum.org/Age/Religion-Among-the-Millennials.aspx
Compared with their elders today, young people are much less likely to affiliate with any religious tradition or to identify themselves as part of a Christian denomination. Fully one-in-four adults under age 30 (25%) are unaffiliated
Is the implication that people become more religious as they age?
Well, no, that's a snapshot at one instant of time, not longitudinal view of people-changing-over-time. The implication is that young people are increasingly less likely to automatically adopt the religious traditions of the older generation.
43AsYouKnow_Bob
"Spiritual bnR" is a subset of "not affiliated with any religious tradition"? -
and, according to Pew, "young people are much less likely to affiliate with any religious tradition or to identify themselves as part of a Christian denomination"
(Look, this falls out of the first Google hit - if you want more, feel free to go poke around for it.... Me, I was just pointing out to Helcura at #38 that a relationship does not need to be directly causal to be a real association.)
and, according to Pew, "young people are much less likely to affiliate with any religious tradition or to identify themselves as part of a Christian denomination"
(Look, this falls out of the first Google hit - if you want more, feel free to go poke around for it.... Me, I was just pointing out to Helcura at #38 that a relationship does not need to be directly causal to be a real association.)