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Dune Limited Edition

1folio_books
sep 29, 2020, 6:58 am

Just added to Folio LE page. Yours for only 500 quid.

https://www.foliosociety.com/uk/dune-limited-edition.html

2Yohannas
sep 29, 2020, 7:05 am

This seems far too expensive given that the illustrations are the same as the regular edition... Is it just me?

3folio_books
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 7:17 am

>2 Yohannas: This seems far too expensive ... Is it just me?

Nope, it's just the usual SFF ripoff, turned up a notch on the dial.

Edited to add:

It'll sell very fast, obviously.

4bookish_elf
sep 29, 2020, 7:25 am

They are riding the wave of the Dune movie release. Only two illustrations are extra. I like the cover of the normal edition with the sparkly blue eyes.

5Yohannas
sep 29, 2020, 7:26 am

This is a real shame, they had a great opportunity to commission additional art from Sam Weber for this version, which might at least justify the price. There’s so much content in the book that would made for amazing illustrations too.

6jsg1976
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 7:33 am

I’ve seen FS some out with a standard edition that is a toned down version of an LE before (e.g., Candide, Alice, etc.), but have they ever done it the other way around before this? (I’m not counting LEs that were substantially different versions of things they’d printed before, like Dracula, Tristram Shandy, or Doctor Zhivago)

7affle
sep 29, 2020, 7:38 am

>6 jsg1976:

Yes, the thick leather-bound versions of Ulysses, War & Peace, and the Decameron etc, were just that.

8Charon49
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 8:19 am

I think it said there’s 2 new illustrations but from 175 aud to 1150 aud its the most extraordinary rip off for mostly the same book with some nice touches.

Edited to fix error

9venkysuniverse
sep 29, 2020, 7:51 am

>6 jsg1976: I believe The Wind in the Willows was also a regular edition prior to the LE?. However, it was a much bigger upgrade than Dune and quite disappointed with this offering. Might have been alright for £200.

10Pellias
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 7:59 am

First time i have said this .. shame on you Follo Society

11didaho
sep 29, 2020, 8:00 am

Easy pass for me if they are not committing to the whole series, unlike Centipede Press.

Honestly rather than this LE, why not continue the series and publish the second book? Very disappointing decision.

12UK_History_Fan
sep 29, 2020, 8:02 am

HARD pass. Looks like a nice production but for $750 shipped (USD) there is no way I am willing to duplicate the lovely standard edition I already own and spent more than $100 on.

13wongie
sep 29, 2020, 8:06 am

Ugh, this makes me particularly salty given the Centipede edition is round the corner.

I'll say that this presentation of this volume is much more attractive than the comparatively boring silver of the original.

14ranbarnes
sep 29, 2020, 8:15 am

Two points:

Limited to one per customer - this is unusual, only seen it on the signed Farseer before.

When the "collectors edition" was released, I thought the £75 was too steep, it was only handling in the old Eagle Street shop that persuaded me to buy. My visiting sister in law and niece thought I was quite mad.

15Raenas
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 8:18 am

>9 venkysuniverse:
Agreed on the disappointment, this is lame. And I am one of the biggest advocates of FS doing serious SF editions. The price is even worse. To make it worth something, it should have been at least letterpress - Centipede Press is doing pre-orders for their edition of Dune next month, for similar price and with much more ambition, but still printed offset. The only way this FS edition could stack up to it is if the printing at least was superior. My money is on the CP edition for now, as I know Suntup won't be doing it (Jerad and Paul agreed not to do the same books).

As for the price, this plays in Suntup Editions territory, the higher range of those even, and it is just not there. Even if some of the Suntup books are also printed offset, they use more expensive materials and offset books don't cost $650, there is more thought into the design in general and usually have signatures (even authors' if alive and willing) and new forewords that have real weight (Neil Gaiman, etc). This is signed by the artist, but so are the Suntup AGE's with 1,000 limitation and $100-ish price.

It is not the genre choice that is the fall of FS, it is rip-off editions like this, regardless of genre. I am sure there will be an audience who will buy it and be happy with it, but all I see is a waaaay overpriced attempt to capitalize on the movie, and quickly release it before CP does. Shame on you, FS, really.

16U_238
sep 29, 2020, 8:18 am

I know sales speak for themselves, and with just 500 copies this likely won’t last that long, but it might not be a terrible idea to email the FS with our thoughts. Perhaps they won’t care, after all generating revenue is paramount, but wouldn’t take more than a few minutes to register our dissatisfaction with this edition.

17Bookymuncher
sep 29, 2020, 8:21 am

I own the standard Folio edition (I love it). A set of paperbacks with all of the Dune books from 1992 that I read as a kid, and I will also buy the Centipede version, when it comes out.

It took me about 3 minutes to decide on the purchase. Dune is by far my favorite SF book and this will most likely sell out fast. If I change my mind in the short term, I'm pretty sure I'd be able to resell it on E-bay after the movie is out for a quick buck (Not that I ever sold any book that I bought...)

PS. All of the negative observations about this LE in the thread are most likely correct. But Folio was also correct that some of us would jump at the chance to upgrade to a LE even at that price point.

18Uppernorwood
sep 29, 2020, 8:23 am

£500 is a stonking amount to pay for a single book. It needs a little more than the signature of the artist, a commentary and a nice box to justify this price tag.

This looks a really good production, but no wow factor whatsoever. It really is for people to whom £200 is pretty much the same as £500.

19wongie
sep 29, 2020, 8:46 am

Just noticed they put the counter up, 105 gone so far.

20SolerSystem
sep 29, 2020, 9:18 am

Bleh. Just disappointing to think of all the other science fiction classics that could have been given a proper LE treatment.

21trentsteel34
sep 29, 2020, 9:20 am

750 usd after shipping is crazy. I have the stabdard edition which i love. Would have been great if they released more in the series. Holding out hope i luck out and buy the centipede press version in time when its released.

22MobyRichard
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 9:35 am

Lol....Dune is a classic but this might be the most cynical thing I've seen FS do...$700 USD for a variant binding and two new illustrations??? It's not even a leather (sandworm skin) variant :p...

23mnmcdwl
sep 29, 2020, 9:37 am

I agree with everyone above—it’s a shocking price for what you get, designed clearly to milk SFF fans of their money. For less than that price I could have gotten Lyra’s Books’ gorgeous Stardust, letterpress printed, hand-bound in full leather, and signed by the author Neil Gaiman and the artist. Of course, this edition of Dune will probably sell out quickly and incentivize Folio to produce more of the same...

24terebinth
sep 29, 2020, 9:37 am

128 gone inside three hours. An unmoved shrug from me, to whom Dune only signifies the one David Lynch movie I left early. No harm done that I can see - producing it hasn't cost much creative effort so doesn't seem likely to be at the expense of any other book, and it will make some money which may be used well if they ever again publish something that hasn't much hope of paying its way.

25Mujaddadi
sep 29, 2020, 9:37 am

Perhaps people who want to have better copy of Dune can buy it? I understand the price is a bit higher but they have sold more expensive Limited editions. Plus it's in no way similar to standard edition, other than few illustrations.

26red_guy
sep 29, 2020, 9:42 am

It's almost as if there has been a worldwide cataclysmic event which has ripped up their production schedules, screwed distribution, decimated their Autumn list and given a just-profitable company cashflow problems, isn't it?

27Conte_Mosca
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 9:48 am

>24 terebinth:

"and it will make some money which may be used well if they ever again publish something that hasn't much hope of paying its way."

"If" very much being the question. As has been aired before, I don't mind if FS do things like this to part SFF fans from their money. But I am more concerned than ever that FS see items like this selling and decide simply to continue to plough the SFF and Pop Fiction furrow and cease to be the great publisher of a diverse range of quality fiction and non-fiction. Why subsidise quality literature if SFF and Pop Fiction is what sells. Money is now king, and the days of Charles Ede and Lord Gavron using FS to indulge and share their passion for literature without profit being the primary motive seems to be well and truly over. I remain hopeful of being wrong but every new publication seems to drain my dwindling well of hope.

EDIT: For what it is worth, I believe Dune is an important work of Science Fiction that very much has a place in the FS catalogue. My point is a different one.

28Mujaddadi
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 9:59 am

>26 red_guy: Exactly! Sometime people forget that FS is doing business here. As long as there will be people willing to buy their books in that price range, they will sell it.

29folio_books
sep 29, 2020, 10:01 am

>27 Conte_Mosca: I believe Dune is an important work of Science Fiction that very much has a place in the FS catalogue.

Agreed. But they've already done it. And I've already got it.

30SamLongworth
sep 29, 2020, 10:01 am

Deze gebruiker is verwijderd als spam.

31wongie
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 10:09 am

>25 Mujaddadi: Perhaps people who want to have better copy of Dune can buy it?

For me the hardest part is that thematically speaking I find it a far superior design to the original silver version, enough for me to want it. However it's not like the standard edition Don Quixote of Decameron that got full goatskin treatment, this Dune is materially pretty much the same as the original. That said I'd happily fork out a premium over the original price (but not a £415 premium!) if they'll ever release this as an "XL" edition without all the other accompanying crap.

32Joshbooks1
sep 29, 2020, 10:08 am

>27 Conte_Mosca: Couldn't agree more. It's funny comparing this LE to Gargantua and Pantagruel, a literary classic that looks stunning on the website. They are both similar prices with 500 copies produced. The first has sold >150 red_guy: copies in three hours, the latter 350 copies in 18 months.

33MobyRichard
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 10:13 am

>27 Conte_Mosca:
>32 Joshbooks1:

Well I've said this before but if you look at the numbers SF is actually a very small market. Fantasy is bigger, but still far from the biggest. What does happen though is when a SF/Fantasy writer breaks out, they REALLY break out...

34Raenas
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 10:48 am

>25 Mujaddadi:
The high price is not the problem. I regularly buy books in this price range for example (Suntup numbered track). The problem is what you get for it. For £200-250, I could see this being reasonable for the intended audience. But £500 is fine press territory - as mentioned above, you could get Lyra's Books Stardust for less than this, and there are all the Suntup works for similar price and way superior quality. This is a rip-off, plain and simple.

35Conte_Mosca
sep 29, 2020, 10:43 am

>29 folio_books: Agreed! No argument from me there! I wasn't trying to justify this new edition, just trying to clarify I am not some sort of SFF hating old reactionary curmudgeon. Old reactionary curmudgeon, maybe, but not SFF hating!

>32 Joshbooks1: Exactly!

>33 MobyRichard: True, but the issue is not the size of the market as measured by standard book sales, but the type of market. You don't need a huge SFF market (compared to general fiction), you just need a passionate one prepared to spend a premium on something "collectable". And that is definitely the case for many SFF fans. As a percentage of the fan base, I suspect significantly fewer fans of, say, Hilary Mantel's Wolf Hall, would spend £500 on a limited edition signed by the illustrator than a fan of Dune. And we know this by the length of time it takes a literary classic LE to sell out than, say, Farseer.

36coynedj
sep 29, 2020, 11:09 am

My LE avoidance remains intact. I bought the regular edition right away, but this holds no interest for me. But, it should be a high profit margin item for FS - 197 sold already!

37Pellias
sep 29, 2020, 11:16 am

.. so .. anyone actually buying?

I don`t know. I don`t want to, but it is a safe bet, and i know i would never read this new edition, it would only be for collective and resale purposes.

.. probably not buying. Just thinking out loud. I have heard that is healthy.

38-Ophidian-
sep 29, 2020, 11:21 am

>34 Raenas: Alas, the Lyra's Books Stardusts seem to be all sold out in the fancier editions.

If this Dune LE were in a nice tanned goatskin, I might snap it up, but cloth is notoriously frail, even cloth housed in a solander box. The quality of materials is not commensurate with the price being asked.

39const-char-star
sep 29, 2020, 11:27 am

>38 -Ophidian-: You’re paying for the limitation and the Sam Weber signature more than anything.

40wongie
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 11:32 am

>37 Pellias: I'd be lying if I said I wasn't tempted as I keep mentioning I find the overall design much more compelling than the original silver but certainly not that tempted as to flog off 500 just like that not to mention still being fully committed to Centipede's edition.

I'm keeping an eye on the counter and when it starts getting low (which will be pretty soon now North America has woken up) I may be tempted to give in. Given the rate at which it's going it's a safe bet that one wouldn't lose any money on this if I change my mind and don't want it, especially during the time around the actual film release. That said if it sold out right this instant I won't be losing sleep over it.

41Raenas
sep 29, 2020, 11:35 am

>38 -Ophidian-:
Yes, it's sold out - signed limited editions of popular books sell out eventually, and only 126 fancy copies are made. For the coveted ones you have to be quick, they don't sit on the shelves. This will be sold out too eventually. But it does not change the extremely poor value proposition. Stardust is in a completely different dimension than FS Dune, when it comes to quality.

42folio_books
sep 29, 2020, 11:37 am

>35 Conte_Mosca: I wasn't trying to justify this new edition

I knew that, Michael. I was trying to underline our mutual old curmudgeonly reactionary response to this latest piece of nonsense from Folio. The naked capitalist profiteering, not the book itself.

43Pellias
sep 29, 2020, 11:42 am

>40 wongie: Agreed on everything. It helped to write it out to the community. It is everything very lovely, but to steep, really. It is. This can simply not be justified.

There are some differences between the two Dune editions. Size and colour probably most notable. It would be an upgrade. But anything else very notable, and the reason for the price increase?

I hate these cases ..

I will go and paint my walls green and think happy thoughts and try to forget about this thing that i really - do not need - .

Only 277 left :(

:)

44Pellias
sep 29, 2020, 11:45 am

>35 Conte_Mosca: and >42 folio_books: are you two finally having a go at eachother? (haha)

45Conte_Mosca
sep 29, 2020, 11:49 am

> 44

Look, leave us old curmudgeons to out-curmudgeon each other!

And anyway, no, we are both too curmudgeonly to have a go at each other. We prefer to pick on less curmudgeonly targets ;-)

Mind you, I do quite like your idea of easing my ageing angst by painting walls. Is green essential?

46ranbarnes
sep 29, 2020, 12:00 pm

It's going to sell out today. Do you think they are sitting there in the Clove building thinking: b**er, we should have charged a bit more?

47Mujaddadi
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 12:03 pm

>34 Raenas: I understand what you are saying. They are running a company whose profit is declining every year and they saw an opportunity to earn some extra money. I don't see anything wrong in it. They know the demand for Dune is higher, considering the upcoming movie, so they are trying to avail it. Ultimately it's beneficial for everyone since we don't want FS to run their business in loss. The point I was trying to make is, I don't have the money to get it but if I do I will surely buy it. I will not complain about the price either way.

Besides I don't see it's a bad deal at all. We have no idea how much cost it took to print this book and few illustration doesn't drive the cost of any book. Until we do, I won't say it's a rip off. Apparently some people have the means to buy it and they are willing to pay premium for it.

48Raenas
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 1:12 pm

>47 Mujaddadi:
Having bought quite a few books in this price range, I have a pretty good idea of how much something like this costs to make, at least in relative terms. If Suntup does well by consistently making better books for cheaper or MUCH better for the same price, then there is certainly a very large margin on this. I am by the way all for FS printing some revenue generating popular books, but by doing so they should not compromise their brand - the regular Dune, Game of Thrones and Lovecraft for example are all well made with an okay price, and driving lots of purchases. This book looks nice, but for the price it is an expensive gimmick, below Folio Society's standards.

49Pellias
sep 29, 2020, 12:18 pm

>45 Conte_Mosca: I have dark green walls and ceiling mostly all over inside my house. A natures cave. Colours are important. Try it. A man needs his cave. At least i do.

Oh. And may the best man win. Even so, we need you both, life would be less cheerful without the two of you. The Masters of joy and happiness. Be easy on Glenn :)

50sdg_e
sep 29, 2020, 12:30 pm

I love this new design much more, and I have yet to purchase the non-limited edition. But I just can't justify in my mind spending $700 on a single book, even if Dune is in my top three favorite books alongside Pride and Prejudice and The Great Gatsby. The limited edition of The Pilgrim's Progress has been calling my name for longer and is $250 cheaper but thus far I've been able to resist its siren call.

51PeterFitzGerald
sep 29, 2020, 12:43 pm

>46 ranbarnes: "It's going to sell out today. Do you think they are sitting there in the Clove building thinking: b**er, we should have charged a bit more?"

500 copies at £495 each - they'll have brought in £247,500 in sales in a day. (Probably more, since non-UK prices tend to be more than the GBP equivalent. The US price of $695, for example, is £541 at today's rate.) That's a relatively sizeable chunk of their usual annual turnover (about £10 million). I think they'll be ecstatic.

They've certainly learnt their lesson from selling 500 copies of Mort for a song.

(And I'm one of the very few here, it seems, who've ordered it. I agree it's overpriced, but I knew I'd regret missing out. I also semi-justified it to myself by virtue of the fact that I've passed on several of their recent offerings - Madame Bovary, Tristram Shandy, Babar, Doctor Zhivago (all cheaper than this, to be fair) - and that this is much more up my street.)

52bacchus.
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 1:04 pm

Unnecessary considering an already (very) fine edition is available.

Doesn't even look like LE - more like an alternative take to the original edition. If one strips the gimmicks, the book + commentary volume is on par with Folio's Game of Thrones. Makes Suntup books look cheap really.

53red_guy
sep 29, 2020, 12:54 pm

I like the two colour printing, which I don't think anyone has mentioned yet. Also the ribbon bookmark (which I think should be standard anyway for Folio) and the clamshell box picture. However, not keen on the cover picture or all that brown (gold if you must) or the fact that the box does not have a title on the spine. At £300 I might have gone for it, but as I do not have the standard, this might push me into buying that instead.

>32 Joshbooks1: Gargantua & Pantagruel is not only a comparative bargain, but also of enormous interest having the text in English with the Dore engravings for the first time. No other edition has this (also Screech translation). It was my Christmas treat, and you should buy it without fear of disappointment - it is a tremendous production. A lot of people here are would like it to be half price in a sale, although that is not conducive to Folio's wellbeing in the way that the £247,500 extra turnover generated by Dune in the next few days will be.

54ranbarnes
sep 29, 2020, 12:57 pm

>51 PeterFitzGerald:

:)

Mort was obviously not priced correctly, but the production values were way higher than this, full leather etc.

55SF-72
sep 29, 2020, 12:59 pm

To me this really is a rip-off and should be beneath them - under the new regime it clearly isn't. The way I under stand it, it's got only one 'really' new illustration in the book, there might be one other, or it's just the previous cover in its non-coloured version - and I think the cover with the eyes looked better, and then there's the book cover / the box with their images. It's slightly larger, but has fewer pages. The extras are okay, but not enough to justify this price increase compared to the regular edition. This would be fine if it was in the 300 Pound price range max. or had more to offer, in particular more illustrations. There's a huge difference between the way this was handled for The Wind in the Willows and this. But it's clearly selling very well. I guess it will be gone within a day or two of publishing.

56MobyRichard
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 1:27 pm

Maybe someone has more insight but this also feels like something FS was planning on releasing way back but held back for whatever reason.

57jeremyjm
sep 29, 2020, 1:42 pm

Yes, priced too high for what it brings to the table. I really like the Sam Weber art though, and if they'd added several more pieces for the LE that might have made my decision tougher. I'll likely add the regular edition to my library at some point (I should give up on hoping it'll be added to a sale). The design for the clamshell box is nice - I like the use of endpaper design on the box, ties it together.

58icanmix
sep 29, 2020, 1:52 pm

I do like the idea of this LE Dune. However as I bought the original version, this doesn't really offer me anything hugely more substantial. If the LE had ALL new illustrations, then I probably would have ordered, however churning out pretty much the same illustrations devalues a LE.

59Comatoes
sep 29, 2020, 2:50 pm

I think it’s a nice edition, if I was a person with disposable income I certainly would have brought it. I like the gold because it does give a desert influence and symbolically plays off the commodity aspect.

I can see why people have purchased it because it does have that unique, ”It factor” that makes you want to pick it up and inspect it. Book collecting isn't always about price points etc. But about the psychological experience of owning something different from the mainstream. It seems Folio Society has a knack for pushing buttons and creating books of this type. The business of selling is psychological and is what drives most purchases so nothing new on that front.

Books are available to all, if this one rubbed you the wrong way, there is always options for other versions or not to purchase. In a world where monopolies exist everywhere, it’s nice to know variety still exist in the publishing world. This is always a good thing. Choices is always a good thing.

Congratulations to those who purchased, it will look great on a bookshelf.

60sdg_e
sep 29, 2020, 3:30 pm

>53 red_guy: "the box does not have a title on the spine"

That's so if someone asks what's in the box; the owner can say "pain." ;)

61Neil77
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 4:00 pm

Wow! 70% of limitation is gone, another 150 to go...

My favourite genres are Horror, Crime and Science Fiction, purchasing this was a no-brainer for me. I understand from Customer Service that better paper has been used for this edition, making it a heavier tome.

62Redshirt
sep 29, 2020, 4:12 pm

Clearly Folio Society read its audience as they are down to 150 copies as I write this. I'm happy for FS and the buyers who clearly want this edition. But I admit to being a little saddened by this one. Not because it is a "genre" book. I’m firmly in the camp of those who recognize that FS is a business that has been barely surviving and I want them to be successful financially. But there is a real lack of creativity and passion here. If they had re-imagined the production, commissioned a series of new illustrations and found other ways to exceed the existing edition, fine. As it is, there seems to be little reason for this edition except to make money (again, in the words of Jerry Seinfeld, “not that there is anything wrong with that”).

In some of the earlier discussions, someone raised the idea of FS acting as a curator. I like that idea. Many of us look to FS to identify quality books, whatever the genre, that are worthy of our attention and money and to present them in a format that adds to the experience of reading the book. When it comes to limited editions, I think we also look to FS to add something extra special to the mix. But, as with a number of recent limited editions, this one seems to me to be little more than an up-jumped fine edition. I can’t help but feel that somebody inside FS said, “here’s an easy way to make some quick money” with a minimum of additional effort. And I find that disappointing. I don’t think making a profit and making a carefully curated and nurtured product are mutually exclusive. They’ve done it before and hopefully will again and for years to come.

63wongie
sep 29, 2020, 4:39 pm

>“here’s an easy way to make some quick money” with a minimum of additional effort.

That seems harsh, if they wanted to do it with minimal effort they could have just had it rebound in leather and called it a day but they did commission additional pieces of artwork with a presentation box that clearly has had some thought put into it rather than a plain solander or slipcase they usually go with not to mention the commentary volume with contributions from Herbert's son. This is far from minimal effort, the real question is whether all that is worth a 415gbp mark up over the original. I for one don't but that doesn't diminish the evident thought that has gone into this set, it certainly has a lot more going for it than a lot of other LEs.

64cronshaw
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 5:01 pm

£500 for a what is effectively a limited edition special binding of a book that was already re-printed several times by Folio in its original form? 'Signed' but only on a tipped-in plate? With no pouch of spice? No worm tooth? I even prefer the original cover.

Sorry Ms. Omni-channel, it's a huge big fat hairy No Way You're Havin' a Larf Innit from me.

65SF-72
sep 29, 2020, 5:01 pm

I just took a look at the regular edition, and I think it's safe to say that the 'Essays by Michael Dirda and Brian Herbert' are the introduction and the afterword from that edition. FS just moved those, as well as the appendices, to the companion volume. The box is nicely done, and if the limited edition had come first, I would have certainly gone for it. But like this it's simply a few extras added to an already existing edition, not enough to justify 425 Pounds more.

What I always missed ae more landscape, sandworm etc. illustrations. The emphasis is very much on characters. It will be interesting to see what Centipede Press will do in that regard.

66Sorion
sep 29, 2020, 6:10 pm

695 Dollars. Wow. I'm kind of offended. A great case does not 695 dollars make! I look forward to Centipede's offering. They will be following theirs up in series so that alone brings much more value. FS this is really a let down. Clearly a success but as a FSD and lifelong Dune fan... such a let down.

67Joshbooks1
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 6:11 pm

>53 red_guy: I think you sold me. I'll be possibly waiting for a hopeful sale this winter but if not i'll pick this up. Ive gotten to the point where I own too many books with little room left in the house so purchasing limited editions, even though more money, makes the wife happier! win/win I guess!

68wongie
sep 29, 2020, 6:12 pm

123 remaining. This certainly won't be left around come morning time in the UK.

After spending the day deliberating and agreeing with everyone criticising it and equally agreeing with everyone praising it I finally took the plunge myself. I think it's a significant enough of a title to at least give it a try and, while I'll have to flog off another sci fi LE that I find to be a less of a important work within the genre in order to fund this, I think this Dune will easily retain it's value should I decide against keeping it.

Will be interesting to compare the two editions once I have them on Thursday (though I suspect a degree of sunk cost fallacy to be involved) as well as the Centipede edition when that's out. While I'm committed to that edition we haven't see anything of the artwork so who knows how well it;ll turn out to be, not that I doubt Jerad but it doesn't hurt to hedge your bets.

69Jobasha
sep 29, 2020, 6:12 pm

Could someone explain the Centipede Press version? Are the images yet? Prices? Dates?

70wongie
sep 29, 2020, 6:20 pm

>69 Jobasha: A $450-$495 range book due to be on sale around Halloween according to the last update. Jerad is committed to the original 6 books by Frank with Messiah going to the printers around now. No images or sneak peaks of artwork of design as of yet, probably won't be until the moment of sale.

71filox
sep 29, 2020, 6:25 pm

> I think this Dune will easily retain it's value should I decide against keeping it.

I wouldn't bet on that. In general, it's better to not assume you will be able to sell any book for the price you paid (unless you're a professional bookseller and really know your audience).

So to recap, for about 400GBP extra, I get: a companion volume, one extra illustration in the book and one poster, a presentation box, and a signature by Sam Weber. And the fuzzy feeling of being one of the lucky 500 who have had the same privilege. It seems Folio is out to make Arion books look cheap...

I'm being a bit harsh here, of course congrats to everyone who bought, I'm sure you will enjoy this. But to me the value proposition is completely off. I will be taking the CP version of Dune thank you very much.

>69 Jobasha: Are the images yet?

No.

>69 Jobasha: Prices?

$495

>69 Jobasha: Dates?

October (hopefully, but I could see it spilling over to Nov/Dec)

72wcarter
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 6:33 pm

I am a sucker, and love Dune, so purchased a copy. Easier, as I do not own the original FS edition.
Down to 115 copies now.
It will not last a day, but not selling quite as fast as Mort, which lasted less than 13 hours.

73Green_krkr
sep 29, 2020, 6:32 pm

FS have managed to capitalize by repackaging assets from a production which is currently still available and has been reprinted many times, at a premium in time for the Dune theatrical release. What’s more, they have managed to sell this new production at a price point similar to that of productions which would have had a higher cost of production due to use of materials such as leather, or time-intensive production techniques such as letterpress.
At the time of writing this post, the stock remaining stock counter is at 118. There is little doubt in my mind that the remaining quantity of stock will sell within the next 24 hours.

...and yet, there are comments in this thread damning FS for their success. I can’t understand it.
If it sells, which it is, then it was the right move. FS have earned a nice wad of cash, which can be used to produce or improve other products. Or, as some of the more pessimistic may assume, they could use that cash to produce more “overpriced” books. Either way, as a fan of FS, to me a FS with a sensible and sustainable marketing strategy is more important than a FS without money, unable to produce and in decline.

74SolerSystem
sep 29, 2020, 7:09 pm

Centipede Press Dune artwork by Mark Molnar: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/xVX6m

And artwork for Dune Messiah by Marc Simonetti: https://art.marcsimonetti.com/dune-by-frank-herbert

75hamletscamaro
sep 29, 2020, 8:06 pm

>72 wcarter:, I also decided to order a copy. I didn't have the standard edition, as I was holding out for the Centipede Press edition. However, I read the Pros and Cons, I did like several things about this version, so I went ahead and ordered a copy. I'll hold onto it, see what the Centipede edition looks like, and If I prefer that version, I'll try to sell this and at least recoup my cost. We'll see.

FOMO indeed. Down to 88 copies as I write this, the count is dropping fast. I decided to buy now and figure out options later.

76Neil77
sep 29, 2020, 8:45 pm

>72 wcarter:

This is a much pricier LE as compared to Mort. To be honest, I didn’t imagine it to be down to 83 copies within the first week, forget 13 hours.

77MobyRichard
Bewerkt: sep 29, 2020, 8:47 pm

>74 SolerSystem:

To avoid confusion, make sure to read the captions as not all the Dune Messiah illustrations on that page are for the CP Dune Messiah.

78wcarter
sep 29, 2020, 9:02 pm

14 hours, and 80 copies left!

79bacchus.
sep 29, 2020, 9:35 pm

>72 wcarter: I can't believe you resisted the original for so long :) If I didn't have the original (or the original wasn't available) I'd find myself in a very tough spot.

80Charon49
sep 29, 2020, 9:45 pm

I don’t think the premium in price can be attributed to Sam Webber’s signature surely since Book of the New Sun had his and the much more valuable Neil Gaiman and Gene Wolfe’s for quite a bit less.

81wcarter
sep 29, 2020, 9:56 pm

>79 bacchus.:
I was waiting for the Centipede Press edition (I am on THE list), but I will be happy to have both.

82kermaier
sep 29, 2020, 11:03 pm

I'm planning to "hand number" my standard edition FS Dune, and offer it for sale at only GBP 250.

83wcarter
sep 29, 2020, 11:11 pm

58

84drasvola
sep 30, 2020, 1:12 am

>27 Conte_Mosca:
>42 folio_books:
>64 cronshaw:

Fully agree with all your points on this LE. Curmudgeon or not, this is not my Folio Society.

85Niurn
Bewerkt: sep 30, 2020, 2:11 am

Can't connect to my account ( stuck at the ROW store login page). 503 error for half a day now.

I hate this webstore with a passion.

86LostStar
sep 30, 2020, 2:14 am

>85 Niurn:
Create another account!

87Jobasha
sep 30, 2020, 3:18 am

The counter got down to 32 but it's climbed back up to 114.

88bacchus.
sep 30, 2020, 3:20 am

>85 Niurn: I was able to login just now at ROW site

89Charon49
sep 30, 2020, 3:29 am

Stock count down to 20 won’t last long now

90wongie
sep 30, 2020, 3:34 am

>71 filox: I wouldn't bet on that. In general, it's better to not assume you will be able to sell any book for the price you paid (unless you're a professional bookseller and really know your audience).

Normally I would agree with you on that for virtually every other Folio publication however I find that the LE/fine press sci fi scene is in a bubble a the moment given the relatively rapid luxury treatment sci fi titles have enjoyed in the past couple of years compared to traditional literature. As least where Dune is concerned specifically what makes me confident about the value retention is the narrow window of release for the film adaptation around the 18th of Dec which passes over the Christmas period where there's bound to be demand from all the hype.

>87 Jobasha: I noticed that jump too though it seems to have returned back down to the 20s. I'm predicting everything will go before the end of lunch, if even that.

91Raenas
sep 30, 2020, 4:01 am

>90 wongie:
I think the resale price of this will largely depend on how the CP version turns out. If FS version becomes the 'also-ran' edition, it may very well drop in value.

92Xaris84
sep 30, 2020, 4:09 am

>85 Niurn: I have the same problem als you. I emailed the customer service more then two weeks ago. They forwarded my problem to their IT desk but so far there is no solution.

93bookfair_e
sep 30, 2020, 5:31 am

The counter just went up from 7 to 14.

94didaho
sep 30, 2020, 5:45 am

I have zero regrets about missing this LE, and I say that as a massive Dune fan (my LT username gives an indication of that). Secondary prices for this volume on eBay will be amusing to monitor over time.

95Levin40
Bewerkt: sep 30, 2020, 5:56 am

I've been umming and ahhing over this since yesterday, even had it in my cart this morning. But no...just can't do it. The more I think about it the more it feels like a cash-in rather than a well thought out book - gimmicks like the separate map and 'print', the separation of the introduction and afterword from the main book, the lack of sufficient added value from the standard edition. The one thing I do like is the black and gold text, though not enough to fork out £500 for. But anyway, it's obviously worked for FS so fair play to them. I'll try to get my hands on the CP edition when it's released, which at least gives the opportunity of building up the series. Just picked up CP's Something Wicked too, so can't really justify the extra outlay on another expensive version of Dune this year.

96wcarter
sep 30, 2020, 6:03 am

12

97HarpsichordKnight
sep 30, 2020, 6:34 am

Looks lovely, but agree with the general sentiment that the materials used are not worth the price, and as I don't care about signatures or exclusivity, the standard edition seems more than enough.

That said, from an economics perspective, the whole thing selling out in one day suggests the pricing they've chosen is correct - a lot of well-off people love Dune, so any limited edition needs to consider that.

To put it another way, I'd rather the society price this at 500 pounds and get the extra revenue, rather than price it at 300 pounds and have it be another profit making opportunity for Ebay resellers.

Alternatively, and I'm not sure on the practicality of larger LE print runs, I'd be all for them making 1,000-1,500 copies at 250-300 pounds a pop instead.

98treereader
sep 30, 2020, 7:43 am

It turns out that the LE contains a bonus recipe for sandworm stew, signed by Gordon Ramsay.

99Mr.Fox
sep 30, 2020, 7:50 am

Sold out.

100hamletscamaro
sep 30, 2020, 7:59 am

>99 Mr.Fox: So if my email timestamp was the same as everyone else, that took 24 hours and 11 minutes.

101wcarter
Bewerkt: sep 30, 2020, 8:00 am

And they are all gone - sold out in just over 25 hours.
Time taken from the post by >1 folio_books:

102Comatoes
sep 30, 2020, 8:01 am

Is this the second quickest book to sell out?

103wcarter
sep 30, 2020, 8:04 am

The signed Farseer trilogy sold out in 4 hours!
If you exclude the above, Mort sold out in 13 hours and then the Dune LE.

104wongie
sep 30, 2020, 8:27 am

Despite the added hours I'd say this Dune has proved to be at least as successful as Mort and Farseer given its substantially higher asking price.

105Pellias
sep 30, 2020, 8:32 am

Farseer 250 Signed edition (copies) - £250.00
Mort Le 500 - £120
Dune Le 500 - at £495.00 this one went fast

-

Oh i caved myself. It all went automatic. This edition will solely be a collectible edition, and a sell one day

106Mujaddadi
sep 30, 2020, 8:42 am

Interesting that Mort LE was just £120.

107wongie
sep 30, 2020, 8:47 am

>106 Mujaddadi: There were no signatures included in that edition, just a simple black leather rebind with nothing on it aside from two raised spine bands and the title inlayed in gold.

108Neil77
sep 30, 2020, 9:00 am

>107 wongie:

Even the leather was an inferior quality - not sure if it was faux leather.

109PeterFitzGerald
sep 30, 2020, 9:10 am

Mine has now arrived (although I haven't had a chance to open it yet). For those who care about such things, I ordered pretty much as soon as this thread was started and received number 7, so it seems that FS is sticking (at least roughly) to a first-come-first-served allocation of numbers.

110Comatoes
sep 30, 2020, 9:24 am

>105 Pellias:

No worries, 500 people caved in, you're among friends :)

111Raenas
sep 30, 2020, 9:37 am

>108 Neil77:
Yes, it was bonded leather I think.

112Pellias
sep 30, 2020, 10:05 am

>110 Comatoes: Well. Thank you friend. A sidepoint, my librarything friends are my most expensive friends, no competition there, not even close. This place, a dangerous place.

113Neil77
sep 30, 2020, 10:06 am

>111 Raenas:

Yeah, I believe so as well... so many copies came with scuffs.

114c_schelle
sep 30, 2020, 10:14 am

>105 Pellias: the LE Count of Monte Cristo also went quite quick at £250.

I was tempted by the book as I don't own the standard edition. Hopefully I'm still on the list for CP as I contacted Jerad last year.

115elladan0891
sep 30, 2020, 10:22 am

While I understand where the criticism of this release comes from - it's not a "true" LE, rather a quick dressing-up job of minimal effort - FS did no editing, typesetting, etc., just commissioned Sam Weber to do a couple extra illustrations, a variant binding and a Solander sarcophagus, and moved the introduction and the afterword to a separate volume, but this is not something new for FS. They've done it recently with Lovecraft, I Am Legend, and Monte Cristo, and they've really been doing it from time to time since 1960 when a few regular titles were also available in special bindings, numbered and signed by the artist. This is a very common practice in the fine press world - offering a limited number of copies of an edition specially dressed up for an extra premium. So I'm not sure that in this case FS deserves the criticism from the Old Guard.

Of course, the premium, at more than 5 times the price of the standard edition, is quite eye-popping considering what it gets, but SciFi fans are notorious for their rabidness. The market was obviously there.

Personally, I much prefer the standard binding and I dislike entombing my books in bulky boxes, so I'd pick the standard edition even if the price was the same.

116Levin40
sep 30, 2020, 10:38 am

>107 wongie: There were no signatures included in that edition. The book itself was unsigned, but it did come with a print (actually the cover image of the standard edition) signed by the artist.

>115 elladan0891: Personally, I much prefer the standard binding and I dislike entombing my books in bulky boxes, so I'd pick the standard edition even if the price was the same.
I'm in complete agreement, though I do like the idea of the gold text inside. Anyway, congrats to everyone who picked at a copy. I'll be really interested to see how this performs on the secondary market, as I've a feeling that a fair few copies will have gone to resellers.

>114 c_schelle: Hopefully I'm still on the list for CP as I contacted Jerad last year.
Hmmm, reading through this thread there seem to be an awful lot of us trying to get hold of this edition...On the Fine Press Forum thread someone mentioned that Jerad had told them only existing CP customers are on the Dune pre order list, which gives me some hope. Still, I think it's going to be tricky. I might ask Jerad at some point if he can tell me the ratio of number of names on the list to number of copies available just to give an idea of how crazy it might get :-). If I finish this year with Lyra's Stardust in leather (already in the bag) and CP's Dune I'll be one very happy chappie.

117elladan0891
sep 30, 2020, 10:44 am

>10 Pellias: First time i have said this .. shame on you Follo Society
>37 Pellias: ... probably not buying. Just thinking out loud
>105 Pellias: Oh i caved myself

Classic case of stage IV FAD :)
Hope you enjoy it, my friend, we've all been there!

118SF-72
sep 30, 2020, 10:52 am

>107 wongie:
>108 Neil77:

I was told by FS that it was calf leather, but yes, the quality wasn't very good at all. If the leather hadn't had issues (rubbed off spots, scratches) it would have been excellent value for the money.

There was a signature by Omar Rayyan on the added print.

119SF-72
sep 30, 2020, 11:00 am

>115 elladan0891:

The difference between Lovecraft and I Am Legend and now Dune is that both editions were published simultaneously and people could decide which they preferred. In the case of Lovecraft, the limited edition had quite a bit more to offer than the regular one. With I am Legend it seemed more like a matter of taste to me.

Monte Cristo was long out of print in the regular edition and people could choose between the reasonably priced limited edition and used copies.

With Dune they sold a lot of regular editions, then did a comparatively slight upgrade of the content in combination with a far from slight upgrade in price, while the regular edition is still available. That's not the same for me. It did work for them - that was really easy money, people tore it out of their hands. And now that it worked so well, they're sure to do more of the sort. But I don't respect this, to be quite frank. They've done some really great work, but didn't invest enough of that creativity in this new edition to justify the rest of it.

120Pellias
sep 30, 2020, 11:02 am

>114 c_schelle: Some 3 days? I think Count of Monte Cristo (500 copies) lasted ..

>117 elladan0891: That is bullying ! Behold, he is bullying me ! I am alone and naked, i am friendless and have no food nor warmth. He is testing me ! It`s the devil. Sees all, hears all. See my friends, behold. Do not write on this board as it can be told and used against you yourself sometime. The devil he is present. His number is 666 and goes under the name of elladan0891. Away ! :)

True. That is FAD right there. My stoicism didn`t last long, but almost. - 8 left then all my plans and everything went down the drain. All on autopilot. Weak, unworthy, manipulated .. maybe next time i can feel free from the sirens song (yeah, right ..).

121elladan0891
sep 30, 2020, 11:24 am

>118 SF-72: Even without scratches, the leather did not look impressive, to say the least. I saw it at the dMR. I'd say it was overpriced even at £120

>119 SF-72: Timing was a little, ahem, opportunistic, yes.

122MobyRichard
Bewerkt: sep 30, 2020, 11:28 am

>114 c_schelle:

Hopefully I'm still on the CP list as I suggested pursuing the rights to Dune to him 5-6 years ago :p. I'm still sad he couldn't get Jodorowsky to sign it.

123LostStar
sep 30, 2020, 11:45 am

For the value I have spent, I feel like I bought a book on eBay with a high price.
I know I will never spend $700+ on a Folio book again.

124LostStar
sep 30, 2020, 11:45 am

>99 Mr.Fox:
This sold out in 24 hours 52 minutes? Some say more or less. Who is right? I like to have those details.

125Bookenstein
sep 30, 2020, 11:52 am

It would be interesting to hear from someone who received their copy and what they think of it?

126Raenas
sep 30, 2020, 11:58 am

>119 SF-72:
The missed potential is also what upsets me. If they put real effort into this, fine materials and letterpress printing, it would still sell like hotcakes for even £1,000 - and I would have probably bought it. They could have made a real showstopper, but decided to do this halfway house instead as an easy cash-in.

127folio_books
sep 30, 2020, 12:03 pm

>119 SF-72: And now that it worked so well, they're sure to do more of the sort. But I don't respect this, to be quite frank.

That is my main worry, that they'll continue to pursue the easy buck at the expense of quality and originality.

128Pellias
sep 30, 2020, 12:17 pm

>123 LostStar: For the value I have spent, I feel like I bought a book on eBay with a high price I bought this book as I see it as a loan, and to see if it is worth keeping and how long, and to follow the secondhand market when the fun starts. No risk involved. Really, no risk involved. Timing is essential. It is better to buy sometimes, and sell, rather than save and regret. I see this as such a case.

>117 elladan0891: First time i have said this .. shame on you Follo Society Just to clarify, and to try to be serious. What i meant with `shame on you FS` was that at first when FS sold the collectors edition of Dune first printing, with an Limited Edition poster. It seemed that they sold something special, and that I had bought something special. I know i am not alone. That edition flew off the shelves at FS. Then, they go and publish this .. and even if the price is nuts. I would have preferred to choose which edition i would have wanted. That is what i meant with shame on you FS, and it`s is the closest i have come to a felt complaint.

FS i believe always sell their LE`s before or at the same time as their fine / standard editions of their products. Therefore this was slightly off guard. Yes, i know we have a special global situation.

The limited ed. poster that came with the first printing of the collectible ed. was a joke by the way. I am a nice guy, more positive than negative, it`s my nature. And when I the positive one, say it`s a joke, well, i`m not laughing. The poster is not on the wall. If it was nice it would be on the wall. I will be more vary of the Society in the future.

>119 SF-72: I read your post after i wrote this. Something of the same of an opinion.

129bacchus.
sep 30, 2020, 12:52 pm

For anyone who receives this, it'd be really nice to share some pictures...

131elladan0891
sep 30, 2020, 1:21 pm

>128 Pellias: I totally get the timing complaint. And I hope the new print will be more wall-worthy than the original poster. If not, at least you will have a nice new box to store them all in :P

132NLNils
sep 30, 2020, 1:56 pm

>129 bacchus.: seconded. The solander box was my draw and I would love to see it ‘live’.

>128 Pellias: I would take the poster of your hands, if it’s irking you enough.😉

133BionicJim
sep 30, 2020, 2:19 pm

>122 MobyRichard:
Jodorowsky admitted he’s never read the novel so I think it more appropriate he sign a movie poster - and then not even Dune maybe?

>117 elladan0891: I wonder what stage I am in? I bought a copy and now have buyer's remorse until it arrives.

134folio_books
sep 30, 2020, 2:35 pm

>128 Pellias: The poster is not on the wall. If it was nice it would be on the wall. I will be more vary of the Society in the future.

That poster went straight into my bin on receipt. Aside from it not being worthy to steal a space from the pre-Raphaelites who normally adorn my walls It was curled up really tight and would have taken an age to iron it flat. Bin! No regrets whatsoever, especially since there will not come a time when I want to part with Dune, first edition thus. Enjoy your Dune LE until such time as you decide to cash in on it, you reseller you! Watch out Island Books!

135Charon49
sep 30, 2020, 9:30 pm

Coming soon Limited edition The Farseer Trilogy with 2 brand new stunning illustrations from award winning artist David Palumbo, a silk ribbon bookmark and a new introduction from G R R Martin 500 pounds please.

But seriously I hope this doesn’t become the trend.

136wcarter
okt 1, 2020, 2:05 am

Resales are up on Ebay already - for £800!

137Levin40
okt 1, 2020, 2:19 am

>136 wcarter: Yes, just saw that. You can even BIN for a mere £1250!! Will be interested to see if this sells.

Resellers dilemma: sell now and be the first, or wait for the movie hype to maximize in December...

138wongie
okt 1, 2020, 2:36 am

>135 Charon49: Thankfully for Farseer buyers it's not being adapted into a film or show, at least nothing I've heard about. Given the success of that edition and this Dune I do wonder if Folio will be thinking of milking these kinds of editions in other ways, perhaps significantly upping the limitation. I could see a thousand copies having easily been sold within the week. Why settle for £247,500 worth of sales when they could get £495,000. It's nothing more than a hunch but with Folio gaining a lot more traction from non-traditional book collectors, especially via platforms like youtube, modern and younger book collectors are less concerned about how small/big the limitation is (so long as it is advertised as limited) and more about simply owning a premium product.

139wongie
Bewerkt: okt 1, 2020, 2:43 am

>137 Levin40: Without question during December when there'll undoubtedly be a huge boom in new fans as well as older ones who aren't interested now in a limited edition but who'll have their excitement for the series reignited and then eager to get their hands on one or people wanting to gift their friends/family it for Christmas. This is also why I don't think Centipede's edition will impact the Folio resell value much because the demand will outstrip the supply of available rare editions of Dune around that time. Ick, I'm feeling really predatory right now, resale plans within plans.

140LostStar
okt 1, 2020, 3:00 am

I just received a shipping email. I bought it when there were 69 left. Everyone got the mail?

141Levin40
okt 1, 2020, 3:05 am

>139 wongie: Without question during December
You're probably right, assuming the movie is well received, which with Villeneuve behind it it's likely to be. Will be fascinating to see what copies of this are changing hands for in December. One can only imagine what the Book of the New Sun FS edition would be going for if a movie or tv series were ever made...not that there's any chance of that happening.

>138 wongie: significantly upping the limitation...modern and younger book collectors are less concerned about how small/big the limitation is (so long as it is advertised as limited) and more about simply owning a premium product.
So you're basically saying there are lot of rich fools out there, haha. You're probably right, but the law of diminishing returns must surely kick in at some point, when people prepared to spend so much on a book do start to look closely at the limitation number. Personally I feel that 'exclusivity' plays a very significant role in what people are prepared to pay - in fact the Dune sell-out is a case in point, given the still available and near-identical standard edition. There must be a reason why other purveyors of genre LEs - CP, SubPress, Suntup - rarely exceed limitations of 500 and more often do significantly less. Also FS themselves used to run far larger limitation numbers and the books ended us sitting on the shelves for years, admittedly for less 'pop' products. I think they got it about right with Dune.

142Pellias
okt 1, 2020, 4:46 am

>132 NLNils: I would take the poster of your hands, if it’s irking you enough.😉 Sure. But, it is not in mint, or even fine condition any longer (if it ever was), but merely in very good condition. It is nothing to write home about this poster, believe me.

I would rather find me a nice Sam Weber or any other artist, and exclusively ask your local printer or anything for an outprint on a canvas or something set in a size by your own liking.

>134 folio_books: Enjoy your Dune LE until such time as you decide to cash in on it, you reseller you! Watch out Island Books! I am busted ! To be fair, as you know I have never sold a FS book, it is hard to sell treasured items, there will come a time when I will have to though, my main policy would then be to sell something for what I bought it for included shipping. At least I like to think of it that way, or maybe a devotee would be very likely. Depending on the buyer, depending on the book. I would be a seller with a conscience, but can`t have to much of it either. Selling Harkonnen* books from Norway is a littlebit harder, but time will solve that.

*I have decided to address the FS as the Harkonnens for some time, until i again feel the inner balance has been regained.

>136 wcarter: *Headshake*

>138 wongie: Social media sets new rules .. hold fast ..

143folio_books
okt 1, 2020, 5:35 am

>136 wcarter: Resales are up on Ebay already - for £800!

>137 Levin40: Yes, just saw that. You can even BIN for a mere £1250!!

Greedy b*st*rds.

144folio_books
okt 1, 2020, 5:37 am

>142 Pellias: I would be a seller with a conscience

We know, Øyvind. Just teasing.

145wongie
okt 1, 2020, 7:04 am

>141 Levin40:

I think Folio straddles the line between who they're marketing their books to which is a luxury I think no other publisher enjoys. On the one hand you have the more traditional collectors who will find exclusivity a major factor and this market is what CP and Suntup are specifically catering for, even retaining a relatively archaic system that puts barriers to the consumers with their closed mailing list early pre-order links. Folio certainly retains a lot of people from this segment.

On the other end you have a new bourgeoning market that you easily find on Youtube who are less and less familiar with traditional fine press selling points. If you do a cursory search of Centipede or Suntup on Youtube you'll find a few videos here and there for the most part with only a couple hundred views but there are tons of videos from channels doing Folio unboxings/hauls that are getting thousands of views spread over a much wider selection of genres that increases their exposure. There are the odd "big" booktubers with traffic in the tens of thousands giving free Folio advertisement for big pop titles like GoT to people who don't normally splurge a lot on single titles but are prepared to spend big for that one favourite title that I'm sure Folio are salivating at. Case in point the Way of Kings Kickstarter.

Targeting this "pop" market is a untapped gold mine for Folio, traffic for Dune has been absolutely alight of late hence why I think for Dune they don't necessarily need to completely cater to the traditional collectors who are looking for a high degree of exclusivity, Folio can walk that line between issuing a big limitation simply to put that out as a selling point for those who are into having a rare product regardless of the exact rarity of it and those latter type folks who simply don't care at all and just want a fancy book.

146NLNils
okt 1, 2020, 7:48 am

>145 wongie: Well put.

147U_238
okt 1, 2020, 10:23 am

I think it's interesting the surprise at how much disposable income SFF fans have to spend on these editions. As we express surprise at this, I am sure in turn many newer FS fans would be quite perplexed as to why FS would publish books like Liber Bestiarum, Micrographia, Dr. Zhivago, etc.

This is not to judge either party - in fact, I am a member of both - but just to say when people devote their attetnion and disposable income to a specific hobby, the passion can be surprising.

And it's not restricted to books either. There are whole communities devoted to things such as fountain pens and associated paper and notebooks, flashlights, pocket knives, everyday carry (EDC) items, etc., complete with limited editions, special materials and so on.

Also, in response to another topic, I doubt the sales for Dune would have been so brisk had they a higher limitation of 750 or 1,000. The relatively smaller limitation is a huge part of the attractiveness.

148Raxyll
Bewerkt: okt 1, 2020, 11:33 am

>125 Bookenstein: Mine arrived this morning, number 84 (noting I didn't place my order until it was around the 300 remaining mark as I recall ...). The book itself is lovely, I like the gold text that has been included and the illustrations look great. It is my first limited edition so I can't compare it to the usual quality for a limited edition, but for the price I agree with the general sentiment in here that I would expect more. That said, I don't have any other folio editions of Dune and this one is very nice, so I will enjoy reading it. The poster and separate map are a touch gimmicky but the box I really like, the magnetic clasp and illustration is well done. Not a huge fan of the appendices being in a separate (paper bound) volume but perhaps some do not mind that. The book itself does not include the printing location information, only the commentary volume does, which looks like an omission.

149wongie
Bewerkt: okt 1, 2020, 11:33 am

Finally, some pics! thanks >148 Raxyll: Maybe it's the lighting but that yellow/gold buckram looks lighter than Folio's own shots, seems a more sand-like shade which is promising.

Alas I missed my delivery slot and can't pick up from the depot due to cvoid restrictions. Even offered to drive myself to the delivery van if they gave me their location! Guess i'll just have to put waiting one more night. Unless someone else beats me to it I should hopefully have some comparison shots with the standard edition which should give a better visualisation of the size difference between these two.

150red_guy
Bewerkt: okt 1, 2020, 1:07 pm

I think the book is quite a bit larger than the standard edition, isn't it? I'm starting to think that with the different size, different paper, two colour printing amongst other things, it's not quite the cynical lazy cash grab that was first thought ....

151folio_books
okt 1, 2020, 1:24 pm

>150 red_guy: I think the book is quite a bit larger than the standard edition, isn't it?

It is. There's a side-by-side comparison on Fans of the FS on Facebook right now. I'm trying to work out if the additional size is just extra white space on the margins or if they've changed the typograohy

>150 red_guy: it's not quite the cynical lazy cash grab that was first thought ....

Not quite, but still a pretty good attempt at a cynical cash grab.

152red_guy
Bewerkt: okt 1, 2020, 1:53 pm

>151 folio_books: Yes, that's where I saw it. I had compared the dimensions of the two books on their respective web pages, but had assumed that Folio must be including the size of the box. So this must mean that the illustrations were enlarged as well. Re-photographed, or just blown up I wonder? The increased white space looks attractive.

>147 U_238: Yes, compared to fountain pen manufacturers, Folio hasn't even got started. As the most obvious culprit, Montblanc only makes one small fountain pen under £500, and you are looking at up to £1000 for standard and ordinary editions, after that it's thousands, tens of thousands and even a few that cost hundreds of thousands (Atelier Privee). For their ordinary pens, a different colourway will cost £150 or more - pretty much standard for Pelikan as well. And ordinary people with a pen obsession could buy most of the lower slopes of the range as it is released each year. Some buy a duplicate which will stay sealed in its box. I think we know when you are a collector, actual cost and perceived value for your collection don't always correlate. Same with those Dadboxes of Pink Floyd/Led Zeppelin CDs aimed at gentlemen of a certain age. There is a lot of disposable income available for luxury goods.

How would Dune be perceived if the LE was the first and only edition of the book, and then maybe in a couple of years the standard silver copy was released. Smaller, fewer illustrations, thinner paper, all one colour of print etc. etc.? If Folio do have plans for the Book of the New Sun, that's how it will be, and I'm sure that four books in a slipcase will be around £250.

The more I see of this, the nicer it looks, but i am still glad I resisted it!

153elladan0891
okt 1, 2020, 2:20 pm

>148 Raxyll: The book itself does not include the printing location information, only the commentary volume does, which looks like an omission.

It's on the limitation page: "...PRINTED ON ABBEY PURE PAPER AT GRAPGHICOM, ITALY, AND BOUND BY THEM..."

>142 Pellias:it is not in mint, or even fine condition any longer (if it ever was), but merely in very good condition. It is nothing to write home about this poster, believe me.

If you check ebay sold listings, an ex-FSD managed to peddle his copy with a wrinkly poster for... wait for it... £400. 400 quid!!! So you're sitting on a gold mine, my friend!

154MobyRichard
okt 1, 2020, 2:34 pm

>142 Pellias:

Terrible poster. They should have done a full size retail store advertisement type poster. Even a 18 x 24 would be nice.

155Pellias
okt 1, 2020, 2:57 pm

>153 elladan0891: Ah .. we know him don`t we ;) I know him well enough from the past, as i have dealt with him a couple of years ago. Just the once, just the once. Serious, and seriously expensive. Probably watching us. Hello !

>132 NLNils: Sorry. You had your chance. The poster is a part of some bigger plan .. just kidding.

>153 elladan0891: It is not just books that are on my shelves. It is also my pension up the road (as so it seems)

>134 folio_books: Glenn. You nutcase. You destroyed a large treasure chest full of pieces of eight ! If we lived in another decade the whole English fleet would be after you, adding some angry pirates, now so it seems they are after me and my very good condition poster.

Now, what shall I do with this Holy Grail that is somewhat still drinkable, but are partly leaking.

I wonder which will be better. The Dune movie, or the part Dune will play on E-bay.

156Levin40
okt 1, 2020, 2:59 pm

>145 wongie: I agree with what you say, but Folio have to be careful not to overestimate the numbers ready and willing to spend £500+ on a new release at the drop of a hat. There aren't that many out there and I'd be willing to bet there was a pretty significant overlap between those who purchased this Dune LE and Suntup/CP customers. It'll be interesting to see what they try next. I doubt there'll be many opportunities which fall into their lap quite as easily as Dune did and they'll have to put more effort in next time. That said, perhaps a Foundation Trilogy LE to tie in with the forthcoming series?

157Pellias
okt 1, 2020, 3:04 pm

>154 MobyRichard: The idea of the poster is interesting. But, a poster that is a photocopy of a book, holding advertisement of the Harkonnens (FS) is just too much going on. When I look at some, i don`t know .. art. I don`t want to be distracted by some scribble .. the KISS principle works well with that - keep it simple stupid

158pancarre12
Bewerkt: okt 1, 2020, 3:06 pm

I feel a bit sad for the eBay sellers buying this and posting it for $1800.
Nobody does truly well in life on account of such cherry-picked gruntwork and they must live with the shame of it. They steal a few bucks here and there at the price of their decency.

On the other hand -- and shamefully -- there IS something to be said for the irrational urges this behavior gives me to buy from Folio directly. I have almost no interest in this edition but the knowledge that it would be >$1600 on Ebay a few days later made the list-price (high to begin with) feel like a sort of relative deal, and almost tempted me to buy it for myself. Kept myself from actually doing it, by a small margin.

159elladan0891
okt 1, 2020, 3:05 pm

>136 wcarter: Resales are up on Ebay already - for £800!

Looks like it's a bargain - it's the cheapest listing. Those who think it's beneath them to go for the cheapest listing may opt for a £995 copy, or those in the US can select between $1,560 and $1,800 listings.

160NLNils
okt 1, 2020, 3:07 pm

>142 Pellias: If you are not inclined to toss it and want to sell the LE down the line, add it to the ephemera of the LE. You would have a one of one proposition. Which rabid, well off SF fan could resist that?!

I will look up Sam Weber’s site, I haven’t in a long time. See what is available.

>148 Raxyll: What I like about the new version of Dune is the box (magnificent, I would say) and the ephemera. Not for their quality, but for the practicality they offer. An easy accessible map, no clutter in the book by separating the introduction and afterword from the main text and appendixes right at hand if need be.

I don’t like the relapse on the design. What makes the original, original is the grey/blue binding. No one expected that with a desert setting and it worked out so well. I find it cheap to go back to expectations and go generic gold/sand with the cover. It’s betraying your vision, but apparently Sam Weber did not have a problem with this.

The real disappointment is with the butchered spine. The colophon, I just can’t. Why? FOLIO SOCIETY written out isn’t recognizable enough?

161elladan0891
okt 1, 2020, 3:12 pm

>158 pancarre12: heh, looks like we were posting about ebay listings exactly at the same time!

To be fair, we don't know if any if these listings will sell for the prices they ask. The £800 copy will probably go, the $1,800 one - somehow I doubt it.

162Levin40
okt 1, 2020, 3:17 pm

>160 NLNils: I don’t like the relapse on the design. What makes the original, original is the grey/blue binding

Quite. The LE cover image is a bit, well, dull. One could imagine it as a paperback cover from the 70s or something. I can't help but feel that if it'd been the other way round - if the LE cover had been on the standard edition and the LE was then released with the standard edition cover - then the 'wow' factor would have been far greater.

163elladan0891
okt 1, 2020, 4:06 pm

>162 Levin40: Agreed. The LE cover is exactly the thing one expects from Dune.

>160 NLNils: The colophon, I just can’t. Why? FOLIO SOCIETY written out isn’t recognizable enough?

Yes, a bit of a facepalm moment there. Somebody needs to reign in the marketing Nazis.

164Willoyd
okt 1, 2020, 4:26 pm

>143 folio_books:

Greedy b*st*rds.

They're only playing the same game as the Folio Society is.

165SF-72
okt 2, 2020, 8:32 am

>151 folio_books:

Do you have a link for that comparison? I'd be interested in finding out what the new illustrations were.

167wongie
Bewerkt: okt 2, 2020, 9:44 am

Here's my snaps. It's a big beast, same dimensions as Ulysses. In short, it's without doubt the superior production in every facet over the original. Paper is thicker and more tactile, yellow/gold ink speaks for itself. The cloth binding is also untreated and so you can feel the fibres more intimately though this does mean inevitable fraying of the material. As you can see mine is already slightly fuzzy round the edges. Doesn't appear to be any changes to typography, text for both editions line up perfectly page for page, word for word.

Perhaps the one thing that I can currently think of where the original beats this new edition is the colophon, the original had a better sense of symmetry to its spine design with the block lettered text for both the author and FS which is no longer the case with this new edition and I agree with >160 NLNils: the it's just plain infuriating,

One big improvement is the artwork featuring Paul from the original cover. As you can see now that the image is printed on paper the eyes come off infinitely better, they truly look "blue within blue." I've even snapped the original poster to show even that was dreadfully butchered. I don't understand how that happened not that I care about the poster.

I've also noticed all the artwork has been slightly altered in terms of colour balance, whether due to the different paper or they intentionally played with it, and have shown comparisons as best I could; unfortunately it's pretty overcast in England at the moment so had to resort to a lamp but I think the colour differences still come across. Some are more subtle than others and I think it's a matter of taste, I've only flicked through them but at first glance there are some from the original I prefer and vice versa though I think it's one of those things that only matter if you actually have both side-by-side to compare to.

Only one piece of new artwork made it into the book unfortunately. I can see the Gom Jabbar presentation box cover would have been redundant since the piece showing the actual test is already in the book but the Fremen fighter on the cover certainly could have made a nice appearance inside.

Also, I think I ordered around the 130 remaining mark and somehow managed to get no. 256 so I guess Folio are only sending the lower range numbers out in some semblance of order before going full random.

Overall, I have no regrets I am definitely keeping this edition in my collection and don't plan to flog it off after all. The only real dilemma is that with Centipede's due to come out soon I'm not sure which edition to read before the film release and Dune isn't something I imagine I can read twice back to back...

Oh, just an edit to include my thoughts on the price: Despite being won over on production values I still think this is waaayy overpriced. I can see 350 to 375 being a more reasonable price range.














168Neil77
okt 2, 2020, 9:37 am

>167 wongie:

Thanks a lot for the photographs. Reaffirms my belief - the LE is way superior and the book gets the treatment that it deserved at the very onset.

169folio_books
Bewerkt: okt 2, 2020, 10:03 am

>167 wongie:

I'm truly glad you like it. I found the side-by-side text photos particularly illuminating. I'm content to stick with the original.

Enjoy!

Edited after I read your comment on the price. I would have thought maybe around £300.

170U_238
okt 2, 2020, 11:01 am

How unfortunate, the day you were able to take some photos turned out to be one of those rare overcast days in England!

:)

171bacchus.
Bewerkt: okt 2, 2020, 11:40 am

>167 wongie: Many thanks for the pictures. The font size and page layout don't seem to benefit from the extra size but the illustrations must look awesome. Enjoy :)

172NLNils
Bewerkt: okt 13, 2020, 4:54 am

>167 wongie: Thank you for the in-depth post. The photos are indeed illuminating. Rather than a print difference on the illustrations, I find they chose a warmer palet for the LE and bluish for the FE. I think both fit.

I don’t quite understand why the book had to have larger dimensions, if the text is set the same. To enlarge only for the illustrations is quite odd, not? It sets the two books physically apart, but does it enhance the reading experience?

I would love to see further books of the hexalogy. Sam Weber has clearly been lost to the SFF limited editions market. I don’t think we’ll see him do original work on a standard edition first ever again. I don’t mind different illustrators at this point, I would just love to own the books in FS garb. My only wish at this point is that they are of the same height. Combine them if you have to, tête-bêche a la Androids would be fun with different illustrators. It’s not too much to ask for.

173treereader
okt 2, 2020, 1:09 pm

Those comparisons show that they definitely played with the color balance. Im not sure one is better than the other, though.

174Pellias
okt 2, 2020, 3:18 pm

>160 NLNils: I will look up Sam Weber’s site, I haven’t in a long time. See what is available If you ever should order a print the day you find something worth having, Sam Weber or anyone else relevant for this community please share :)

>167 wongie: Lovely presentation. Mine will come by on tuesday.

175Firumbras
okt 2, 2020, 4:35 pm

I was interested to see this. I bought the original Silver / blue edition in 2015; a treasured volume, and marvellous design. As others have noted the symmetry of the lettering of the spine in the original is well thought out. Not at all well thought out is the gold revision's visually-illiterate substitution of the colophon. I will not buy an FS book with innapropriate use of this colophon - unfortunately, this is now what most folio books come with.

176wwfield
okt 2, 2020, 7:43 pm

>175 Firumbras: I agree the spine of the original is much nicer to look at.

The LE is undoubtedly gorgeous however. But seeing how I prefer spines to solander boxes on my shelves, and seeing as 99% of the book's life will be spent on the bookshelf, I'm very happy with my original copy.

177kcshankd
okt 2, 2020, 8:50 pm

>167 wongie:

Thank you so much for that. Like many, had the order been reversed no doubt I would have snapped up the LE. As is, I am very happy with my regular edition.

I do hope I can add a Folio version of Dune Messiah someday.

178U_238
Bewerkt: okt 2, 2020, 10:14 pm

Has Folio ever released a series of LEs? They go in so many different directions with each of the one-off LEs I'm familiar with, I imagine a series of similarly-sized solander boxes with the same general stylistic themes would look gorgeous.

However, they might be charing $2kCAD for the final ones in the series by that point!

179wcarter
Bewerkt: okt 2, 2020, 11:07 pm

A list of all the FS series can be seen here.
Some of these are LEs (eg. Tolkien and the Large Quarter Leather Bound series).
The war poets was a smaller series.

180U_238
okt 2, 2020, 11:50 pm

>179 wcarter: Thank you! There's truly an answer for every FS question!

I can't imagine how I forgot the Shakespeare LEs, as they're so popular, and the series of Moby Dick, Les Miserables, The Decameron, etc. They do make for an impressive presentation when all lined up. If the FS ever did do the rest of the Dune books, it would certainly be a great collection.

181Levin40
okt 3, 2020, 3:07 am

>178 U_238: I'm still hoping that this autumn might see an LE Frankenstein in series with last year's Dracula, perhaps also illustrated by Angela Barrett.

182LostStar
okt 3, 2020, 4:02 am

>181 Levin40: Automatic purchase!
I bought Dracula with many doubts, but in the end I really liked Angela Barrett's illustrations.

183SF-72
okt 3, 2020, 9:04 am

>166 Pellias:
>167 wongie:

Thank you both, that was very helpful and interesting.

So they only added one new illustration to the actual book, the rest went to the new cover and solander box. Still seems like a rip-off to me, even if the solander box looks nice.

184Firumbras
okt 3, 2020, 9:04 am

>176 wwfield: wwfield
Agree entirely. Original Dune and original Handmaid's Tale designed (and botch-revised) in the same way are the same design and look marvellous together on my shelves.

185Pellias
okt 4, 2020, 8:13 am

>183 SF-72: You are welcome. My contribution showed itself to be rather small than that of Wongie.

186folio_books
okt 4, 2020, 8:31 am

Dune LE just went for £1000 on eBay UK.

187wongie
okt 4, 2020, 9:18 am

On second thoughts maybe I won't hold onto mine after all...

188Mr.Fox
okt 5, 2020, 3:51 pm

In other news, the movie just got postponed all the way to next October.

189wongie
okt 5, 2020, 4:17 pm

I'm not one for conspiracies but on reflection that makes it rather suspicious, or very lucky timing, on Folio's part. I did wonder why they never released this edition closer to the actual release when hype would have secured a faster sell-out (not that 24 hours is a bad record in the grand scheme of things aside from bragging rights). I had originally assumed that Folio had to release theirs before the film so as to not clash with any other merchandising rights that Warner Brothers owned in conjunction with the film license for that December release window. Now I'm thinking maybe Folio, officially or unofficially, got the inside scoop that Dune was going to be delayed and made a move on shifting their stock whilst it was still in the public eye.

Or maybe they just got lucky after all...

190kcshankd
okt 5, 2020, 10:55 pm

>188 Mr.Fox:

This was probably inevitable, but makes me so sad. I'd pay $20 to watch it at home, I wish they would move forward with some sort of limited release.

191treereader
okt 5, 2020, 10:58 pm

>189 wongie:

It may have been predictable. Enough other movies have been getting delayed that someone smart at Folio, like the Mole, might have been able to make the call without any inside information.

192Uppernorwood
okt 6, 2020, 2:38 am

>188 Mr.Fox: will there even be enough cinema screens operating next October to make the kind of money they obviously want to?

193NLNils
Bewerkt: okt 6, 2020, 3:15 am

>192 Uppernorwood: Too soon to tell of course. If so, it will be pushed further into the future again. As has happened with No Time To Die.

194Pellias
okt 6, 2020, 6:11 am

Arrived today. Definitely an upgrade from the other fine edition. Paper, size most notably (even the poster, though smaller of size). My book itself had a slight knock / bump on the spine, one can feel it slightly, but hardly see it, it`s nothing bad. I have gotten used to these small things with FS books, they are not always immaculate (not even when Joe was there). The case itself is what truly and mostly stands out, it is gorgeous and will make a definite object on say, a shelf. I will as said, never read this edition though, it is a collectible item. Happy to have bought it, have no idea how long I will keep it.

195NLNils
okt 11, 2020, 10:37 am

DUNE

”Last week, we took a number of people onto the Dune reservation list. As many of you know, the Folio Society announced a deluxe edition of their Dune this last week for a whopping $695. Nothing wrong with that. Folio puts a lot of quality materials in their books and you do get what you pay for with them. There is solid value there.
In case you have been on the fence about Dune, our edition has 14 full color, hand-tipped interior illustrations, plus two illustrations in the front matter, and full-color, illustrated endsheets, and a fold-out map. The introduction is by Michael Swanwick, the artwork by Mark Molnar, and an afterword by Brian Herbert. It is signed by all three, with a facsimile signature by Frank Herbert. Each book is printed on Mohawk Superfine and is enclosed in a capped slipcase.
Below is a screen shot of the anticipated look of the slipcase spines for the books. The idea is that a sandworm will appear in each round embedded acrylic image in the case. (The images shown for future volumes are just placeholders at this point.) Thank you very much for your support of Dune!”


Centipede Press newsletter of today.

196didaho
okt 11, 2020, 12:24 pm

The Dune artwork from Mark Molnar looks epic: http://markmolnar.com/project-dune/

197SF-72
okt 11, 2020, 12:37 pm

>196 didaho:

That looks great. This may be a stupid question, but is this for the films or really all for Centipede Press? It looks like much more than you'd find in a book edition.

198MobyRichard
Bewerkt: okt 11, 2020, 1:23 pm

>197 SF-72:

I believe the Dune illustrations for CP are here: https://markmolnar.artstation.com/projects/xVX6m

It's almost too bad. I actually like some of the Project Dune illustrations more.

But it's kind of confusing. The two links almost seem like work from two totally different artists. Style doesn't really match...

199Bacon.And.Eggs
okt 11, 2020, 4:34 pm

>195 NLNils: Mind sharing the screen shot? I asked to join the reservation list, but didn’t receive today’s email.

200NLNils
okt 12, 2020, 12:07 am

>199 Bacon.And.Eggs: I do without permission. The text is reproduced here in full. If you DM me your e-mail address, I will forward you the e-mail. I have no clue as to whether I’m on the reservation list, I asked a long time ago now. I do get this general news letter about every Sunday.

>196 didaho: >198 MobyRichard: Stunning visuals, I hadn’t seen the project Dune portfolio before. It would make the book a lot more interesting, if the art direction for the film is consistent with the series by CP.

201kb-42
okt 12, 2020, 6:54 am

There are 5 limited editions on the folio page if anyone wants to buy: https://www.foliosociety.com/row/dune-limited-edition.html

202SF-72
okt 12, 2020, 8:11 am

>198 MobyRichard:

Thank you. As you say, they are very different, and I also prefer several at the other link.

203MobyRichard
okt 12, 2020, 9:43 am

>201 kb-42:

Even as you were typing that, they were selling out lol.

204bacchus.
Bewerkt: okt 12, 2020, 10:11 am

>173 treereader: Seems like the color hue/saturation was adjusted to match the orange cover - the blueish originals might have felt out of place compared to the rest of the LE production.

205SF-72
okt 12, 2020, 12:55 pm

>204 bacchus.:

That's an interesting explanation.

206Yohannas
okt 12, 2020, 1:05 pm

How do I join the reservation list for Centipede Press’ Dune? I’m totally new to CP and Google doesn’t reveal anything useful!

207wongie
okt 12, 2020, 1:40 pm

>204 bacchus.: makes sense and is supported by the warmer skin tones of the LE images however, oddly, environments are more drab and less warmer than the standard edition.

208Raenas
okt 12, 2020, 2:22 pm

>206 Yohannas:
Need to write email to Jerad, but he only adds existing customers - if you haven't bought anything (multiple less expensive or 1-2 pricey books), then you have to wait to see if there is any left for the public.

209Waystation
okt 14, 2020, 3:08 am

Re Dune series limited editions from Centipede Press, Jerard says:

''They would not be released all at once. We are shooting for a schedule of 6-9 months between books.

The cost of each volume will start at $500, with incremental increases for each book as materials and other costs go up over time.

If you want only volume one, Dune, you are likely to receive an unsigned copy. Each book in the series will have 500 signed and numbered copies, as well as a few hundred unsigned copies.

...there are more people on that list than i will have copies for sale, so even given that, it might be possible that you will miss out.''

210MobyRichard
okt 14, 2020, 9:01 am

Yeah...it's what I've been saying. I kind of wish we wouldn't blare this stuff out to everybody, especially people I've never seen post on any of the boards that are suddenly popping up.

There have been longstanding CP customers waiting for years now. And I do mean yeaaarrs. Jerad always manages things superbly, but I hope none of the loyalists miss out.

211SolerSystem
okt 14, 2020, 1:41 pm

>210 MobyRichard: Agreed. There's a reason this information is contained to a newsletter that isn't joinable via the website like a traditional subscription. Jerad, while of course looking to make a profit doing what he does, is loyal to his customers and does his best to ensure his books go to long time supporters of the press.

212NLNils
okt 14, 2020, 1:59 pm

I don’t really understand why you would keep the limitation low, if demand is at such a high. I would buy the series unnumbered as well, maybe there’s my shot to owning these books which you’ll have to shell out 4000ish $$$ to own.

213Levin40
okt 14, 2020, 10:54 am

>210 MobyRichard: Agreed. I think it's being managed as per >208 Raenas:

>212 NLNils: Contractual reasons? You've got to take into account that this contract would have been agreed years ago, well before the current movie hype, and 500 is actually a large limitation for CP. Usually they're 300 or fewer.

214NLNils
okt 14, 2020, 11:05 am

>213 Levin40: You make a good point. I hope I get lucky at this point, maybe the unnumbered printing can be upped.

215U_238
okt 14, 2020, 11:24 am

I've also been disappointed to see so many random new people asking about these books. I dug up an email from 2017 when I asked Jerad about the books and let him know I wanted the whole set. On FB there are droves of them, driven by the FS's copy of Dune, and many people replying "oh it's not going to be anywhere near as nice as Centipede Press' copy."

216hamletscamaro
Bewerkt: okt 14, 2020, 11:42 am

>210 MobyRichard:, I agree with Raenas, SolerSystem, etc. I believe that Centipede Press/ Jared will release to their regular customers first, and then he will open up to the "also interested" followers. I haven't purchased anything from Centipede yet but would be interested in the Dune series. When I sent an email asking to be added to the distribution list, Jared emailed back fairly quickly to gauge my interest. He wanted to know if I only wanted the first book or the entire series. Beyond that initial email, I haven't heard anything from them. So, this forum is about the only way I stay abreast of the latest Dune developments.

217treereader
okt 14, 2020, 1:59 pm

If demand is as high as you're worried about, it is entirely possible that Jerad could issue a second unsigned print run.

Let's not also forget that Jerad/Centipede press isn't a company with an army of employees. Centipede's print runs, at least in some part, are scaled to the size that they can manage.

And for what it's worth, I'm a long time customer of theirs, receive the weekly emails, but am forgoing the Dune series. One of you should be able to snag whatever copy I would've purchased.

Also, also, for those of you more serious about getting a copy, consider reaching out to Jerad to not only get your name on the list for the first book but also mention an interest in getting the same limitation number for the remainder of the series. It may improve your ranking...

218Raenas
okt 15, 2020, 11:19 am

>217 treereader:
I have purchased some books from Jerad, but have no intention of getting the whole series. For me, Dune is complete with the first book, no interest in the rest. And won't lie to Jerad just to get a numbered copy, that is unfair. Still, would be gutted to be restricted to an unnumbered copy. But we will see. Can't have them all.

219treereader
okt 15, 2020, 3:32 pm

>218 Raenas:
Fair enough. I am somewhat in the same camp. I thought the first book was good enough. I have many other books to read before considering the other Dune followups.

220coynedj
okt 15, 2020, 9:50 pm

I read the second Dune book and thought it was worthwhile doing so, though it wasn't up to the standard set by the first in the series. I have no interest in reading any more though. What needed to come about came about, and that's enough for me.

221wcarter
okt 25, 2020, 10:38 pm

My Dune LE finally arrived in Australia, 26 days after being ordered. Normally LEs are sent by courier, and even reach this side of the world in ten days, but Dune was sent untracked standard post and arrived in the big white Spanish post bag despite paying a premium fee for a LE to be shipped by courier - disappointing. The book itself is in perfect condition and very impressive.

222the_bb
Bewerkt: jan 28, 2022, 10:24 am

Dit bericht is door zijn auteur gewist.

223U_238
okt 26, 2020, 9:10 am

>222 the_bb: Will we be seeing your name on the dedication page perhaps?

224ubiquitousuk
Bewerkt: okt 26, 2020, 6:18 pm

>221 wcarter: disappointing indeed! Not really the way to be selling a premium product.

225SF-72
Bewerkt: okt 26, 2020, 6:21 pm

>221 wcarter:

I'd frankly ask back my money for express shipping if they used standard shipping instead. There must be quite a difference between prices there, and they clearly didn't pay the higher one, so should refund the difference.

226wcarter
okt 26, 2020, 7:47 pm

>223 U_238: >224 ubiquitousuk:
I emailed FS customer service, and the wonderful Andrew of long term FS fame, immediately repaid the shipping cost. Their superb customer service continues.

227U_238
okt 26, 2020, 7:54 pm

>226 wcarter: Happy to hear it.

Also, your amazing spreadsheet of Folio books and sale prices was getting passed around on FB earlier today. Or yesterday maybe.

228wcarter
okt 26, 2020, 8:11 pm

>227 U_238:
This spread sheet has actually been prepared by the FSD member Redshirt. I merely posted it on the FSD wiki.

229ubiquitousuk
okt 27, 2020, 3:28 pm

>226 wcarter: thanks for the update. It's true that in the rare instances where I have had occasion to contact customer services they have been more than excellent. Definitely premium service. That said, I rather suspect that when Dr W Carter gets on the line they are particularly keen to pull out all the stops : ).

230U_238
okt 27, 2020, 5:44 pm

231Yohannas
okt 27, 2020, 6:05 pm

Just to chime in, I’ve been waiting for a reply from Andrew for two weeks and have chased twice including phone calls - no response at all! If you can deal with Justine she’s a lot more reliable.

232bookish_elf
okt 28, 2020, 5:56 am

>231 Yohannas: Same thing happened to me couple of months ago. Justin is very responsive. Andrew has stopped replying to emails.

233Yohannas
okt 28, 2020, 4:41 pm

>232 bookish_elf: it’s really strange, this is the third time Andrew has stopped replying to my emails. And the other staff members don’t seem to want to pick things up from him, so we’re basically stuck. I even made an informal complaint about it last time I spoke to Justine on the phone but nothing has changed. Other than this they’ve been really good though!

234bookish_elf
okt 28, 2020, 10:44 pm

>233 Yohannas: I think they are working from home and things got disrupted from that time onwards. I also had also written many emails and then had to call Justin to get the issue resolved.