Monday morning: Biden suspends campaigning until Thursday night

https://nypost.com/2020/10/19/biden-calls-lid-on-campaign-events-until-after-nex...

Either his dementia has notched up or they need to circle the wagons regarding his son's emails.

> 1

1. Biden's recent town hall reveals no symptoms anyone could detect of dementia or mental abnormality. He seems to actually understand the issues and have rational ideas he articulated very well regarding various ways to ameliorate or solve our various serious national problems - the ones Orange Hitler has done nothing but exacerbate and worsen.

2. No one with a properly functioning brain give a fucking shit about Biden's son's emails anymore than they do about Hilary's emails or, for that matter, MY god damn emails. You are living in some fake news reality of your own creation.

3. Watch Orange Hitler's recent town hall. THERE is your evidence of dementia as the final stage of degenerative malignant narcissistic personality disorder. I don't say that. Dozens if not hundreds of psychiatrists and psychologists now say that.

Jesus H. Fucking Christ on a pogo stick - Nov. 3 cannot come soon enough. The shit storm will just blow away then.

> 1 Even Foxx passes on the shit crapped out by Rudi and Orange Hitler. lol.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/exclusive-fox-news-passed-on-hunter-biden-laptop-sto...

>2 JGL53: Biden's recent town hall reveals no symptoms...

"If I limit the data set enough, I can exclude all inconvenient evidence!"

No one with a properly functioning brain give a fucking shit about Biden's son's emails

Twitter and Facebook went on a firestorm of censorship to suppress it. Twitter censored the President's Press Secretary's account over it - not just her tweet on this particular subject, but her entire account. They did the same to the New York Post. The leftist censorati is in a panic terror over this.

>2 JGL53: You are living in some fake news reality of your own creation.

Very true. But Trump's hard core supporters apparently believe (or at least find it convenient to appear to believe) this fake reality. Strange.

#4--such aggrievement reeking of desperation. It's like your fearful already of the result. At least I could manage to say if somehow or other Biden were to lose (which I don't think is happening) that I didn't like him anyway. Then again this country is already coming apart at the seams because of this orange colored fucker. That's why Joe gets the vote. We're not voting for something 'good'---we're voting against someone not only 'awful' but 'catastrophic'.

So much as well about Biden's cognitive issues while at the same time ignoring all kinds of health and cognitive issues from Trump. Really? The guy has adderall coming out of his cocaine nose. In between all kinds of lies he slurs and mispronounces--sometimes he can't lift a glass of water or he's walking down a ramp like he's a 98 year old. Biden's son Hunter? What about Ivanka, Donald Jr., Eric and Jared? It's almost like manageable corruption vs. unmanageable corporatized corruption. However close Biden is to an assisted living home Trump belongs in a prison for the criminally insane.

P.S.---if you don't like Twitter or Facebook do like I do---don't join or if you have joined get out.

>5 John5918:

Let us note, that Hunter Biden had absolutely no credentials to be paid for the work he was supposedly doing.

The New York Post’s first report stated:

The never-before-revealed meeting is mentioned in a message of appreciation that Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma, allegedly sent Hunter Biden on April 17, 2015, about a year after Hunter joined the Burisma board at a reported salary of up to $50,000 a month.

“Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent sic some time together. It’s realty sic an honor and pleasure,” the e-mail reads.

An earlier e-mail from May 2014 also shows Pozharskyi, reportedly Burisma’s No. 3 exec, asking Hunter for “advice on how you could use your influence” on the company’s behalf.

“The Post noted that the revelation comes after Biden has repeatedly denied speaking with his son, Hunter Biden, about his overseas business dealings,” The Daily Wire reported. “Fox News host Tucker Carlson released a picture last year of Joe Biden playing golf with his son and his son’s business partner, Devon Archer, who also served on Burisma’s board.”

Late last week, Fox News confirmed the veracity of some of the emails that were published, including ones that appeared “to outline a payout for former Vice President Joe Biden as part of a deal with a Chinese energy firm.”

“One email, dated May 13, 2017, and obtained by Fox News, includes a discussion of ‘remuneration packages’ for six people in a business deal with a Chinese energy firm. The email appeared to identify Biden as ‘Chair / Vice Chair depending on agreement with CEFC,’ in an apparent reference to now-bankrupt CEFC China Energy Co,” Fox News reported. “The email includes a note that ‘Hunter has some office expectations he will elaborate.’ A proposed equity split references ’20’ for ‘H’ and ’10 held by H for the big guy?’ with no further details. Fox News spoke to one of the people who was copied on the email, who confirmed its authenticity.”

“The Biden campaign and Hunter Biden have not disputed the authenticity of any of the emails from his purported laptop that have been published so far,” The Daily Caller reported. “They have also not denied that Biden dropped off the laptop at a computer shop last year.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-director-of-national-intelligence-confir...

Furthermore:

On Monday night, Fox News reported that it had obtained documents purportedly showing Hunter Biden’s signature on paperwork from the Delaware computer repair shop where he allegedly left a laptop computer, the same computer that held emails related to his dealings with China and Ukraine.

“The document allegedly signed by Biden details repair work that was to be performed on three MacBook Pro laptops at ‘The Mac Shop’ in Wilmington, Delaware. Aside from the signature, the paperwork notes Biden’s name in the ‘bill to’ section for a cost of $85,” Fox News reported, adding that the signature had not yet been verified to be Hunter Biden’s.

Other documents reveal that the FBI had communicated with the owner of the computer repair store, John Paul Mac Isaac. He had received a subpoena to testify before U.S. District Court in Delaware on Dec. 9, 2019. “One page shows what appears to be serial numbers for a laptop and hard drive taken into possession,” Fox News stated.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/alleged-hunter-biden-signature-found-on-documents...

>6 lriley:

Just knowing that only Progressives in this group block unwanted opinions, don't you think it's strange that only one group wants to block opinions?

So, you are voting directly for censorship and corruption, as opposed to a guy you don't like? So you are voting for suppression of rights -- not the pretend rights that will magically disappear from Amy Coney Barrett's ability to make sweeping legislation from thin air, but actual suppression of opinion and self-preservation.

I read an interesting article about following the Science. It was a book review, and it is an entirely legitimate stance. I find the ability of the Democrat Party to avow and disavow the science and or recreate science a most disturbing trend. Because most Progressives believe that the Government should enforce thought control (this is exemplified on a sampling in my initial statement and furthermore in the media) , I am truly concerned about the political use of science. Between the Truth and Reconciliation Council to the elimination of Conservative opinion among the platforms blessed by the leaders of all major tech companies, we do have a legitimate concern. Those are the trademarks of oppressive Government and it is being backed explicitly by the Democrats. I don't know why this doesn't concern those voting for Biden.

For a more and less extreme read here:

It is rare that one is able to publish a book as timely, given the confusion and hysteria surrounding the COVID-19 pandemic, as Stuart Ritchie’s Science Fictions: How Fraud, Bias, Negligence, and Hype Undermine the Search for Truth, which is about malfeasance in contemporary natural and social sciences. Ritchie, a psychology lecturer at King’s College London, has written a prescient and absorbing book regarding the replication crisis, the imperfect peer-review process, and scientific misdeeds. It manages to balance conversational prose with what is in many ways an academic literature review distilled for the educated public. While Science Fictions certainly contributes to a greater understanding of some of the worrisome issues surrounding contemporary science, it is not without its omissions and faults.

To be clear at the outset, Ritchie emphatically believes that science contains objective truth, discerned through “scrutiny, questioning, revision, refinement and consensus.” When Ritchie illustrates scientific malfeasance through a large number of case studies, it is clear that for each of these, at least one of the five aspects of the scientific modus operandi has been violated. This is not to say that science has not been amazingly successful in many respects—electricity, spacecraft, and vaccines, to name just a few. Indeed, science’s successes are, in part, what make it so susceptible to what Richie identifies as its four main problems: fraud, bias, negligence, and hype.

Distorting the Scientific Method

Scientific inquiry depends on the ability to continually retest hypotheses by replication. Yet a shocking number of scientific papers fail this test. How bad is the problem? Ritchie gives some distressing numbers in a myriad of fields. For example, in 2018 there was an attempt to replicate 21 social science papers that were published in the two most prestigious science journals, Nature and Science: the replication rate was 62 percent. Alas, the social sciences are not alone. A study from 2016 found that of 268 randomly sampled biomedical papers, including clinical trials, only one of them reported its full protocol. This means that a scientist could not even attempt to replicate 267 of these studies. Replication crisis, indeed.

Ritchie takes us on a tour of fraud, bias, negligence, and hype. Whilst discussing fraud, he points the reader to the website Retraction Watch. (As I write this, the banner blares, “The list of retracted COVID-19 papers is up to 33.”) There have been over 18,000 retractions in the scientific literature since the 1970s, and a number of these papers are, despite their retraction, still cited positively out of ignorance. Ritchie homes in on a number of case studies that illustrate the myriad scientific sins committed by such papers. We learn about the defrocked-physician Andrew Wakefield who made up a link between vaccines and autism in the respected peer-reviewed journal The Lancet for financial gain. There is the spreadsheet error that made it into Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff’s peer-reviewed paper in American Economic Review. In the original paper, they stated that any country with a debt-to-GDP ratio above 90 percent, should go through austerity during the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis. As it turns out, once the error was fixed in the spreadsheet, the 90 percent threshold was no more. A peer-review crisis, indeed, in addition to the replication crisis!

The case of former Cornell Professor Brian Wansink is an exemplar of all four of Ritchie’s ailments that are affecting the sciences. A professor at Cornell University, Wansink’s troubles began with a self-aggrandizing blog post in the fall of 2016 where he unintentionally admitted to asking one of his post-docs to “p-hack” on what became known as the “pizza data” (it was from an Italian restaurant). But before we discuss what p-hacking is, we’ll discuss some of the fallout from this post, which is truly an example of pride coming before the fall.

Skeptics began to look at Wansink’s peer-reviewed works after the blog post and found them riddled with errors. For example, on the four papers that were published using the pizza data, there were no fewer than 150 errors. Similar errors were found in other papers. It is likely that these errors were the result of a combination of negligence (not paying attention to detail) and fraud (purposely massaging the data to look a certain way.) Wansink was also an example of media hype, with a couple of best-selling books on food psychology. He also parlayed the media attention into influencing governmental nutrition policy. Michelle Obama’s much-maligned school lunch program was influenced by Wansink’s work. Republicans were not immune, either, as he served under George W. Bush in the FDA. (Perhaps, this gives evidence for why governments should not have nutrition policies.)

Wansink’s negligence, fraud, and hype were enough to cause 18 of his papers to be retracted and for him to resign from Cornell. But his p-hacking was the worst offense. To discuss it, we first have to confront the widely misunderstood p-value (where p stands for probability) and its relation to bias in scientific research. Ritchie does an admirable job explaining the p-value as well as concomitant notions, such as effect size and sample size, in the most technical part of the book. I do wish he would have elaborated more fully on where the p-value lives in a wider statistical context. (Albeit as an applied statistician, perhaps my bias is showing here.)

The scientist must resist the temptation of the unconstrained vision, where he believes that he can overcome self-interest (whether it is manifested in fraud, bias, negligence, or hype) through reason.

For the sake of this review, we can informally say that the p-value is a probability that measures surprise: is the observed data surprising, given an assumption about the nature of the population? Due to a tradition dating back over a century, a p-value

#8--I haven't blocked your messages. I blocked one guy who is a troll. Who spends way too much of his time dreaming up slanders against himself and has made it clear previously that he'd like nothing better than to see those who don't agree with his warped opinions suspended and/or banned. He wanted to come in here and run the place from day one--so I bid hasta la vista to him and he's just a source of amusement now.

This may be news to you because you're fairly new. I was suspended here last December for two weeks. I suggested that someone was living back in dinosaur times and a precursor to a human being. Which was pretty mild IMO to the straight out fuck you's that I use to elicit from this very same guy but he was a guy like the one I've blocked--always trying to drag Tim or some authority figure here over to get someone suspended. It was fine though for him to call a woman here the 'c' word. He didn't see any problem with that or just to throw his FU's around.....and the hilarious thing is that as soon as he heard I was being suspended he's out with his 'Merry Christmas Motherfucker' and gets suspended himself and that's the last we've seen of his sorry soul since. So maybe that explains to you why I don't want to waste my time with this knucklehead.

Censorship and corruption--it seems those are both Trump projects to me. Isn't he the guy that went after TikTok? I think he is. That's always trying to label any criticism as 'fake news'? That makes decisions all the time that enhances his bank account?--like he wanted the next G8 at his Doral country club. That has his kids and his son in law directly benefiting from his graft as well. You want to talk about Hunter Biden fine--but if you're not into talking about Ivanka, Don Jr., Eric and Jared you're being one sided and I'm not interested.

>9 lriley:

Let's talk about it then. What is illegal about the work Ivanka, Don Jr, Eric and Jared are doing? They are working for him, no doubt, but we aren't talking in the same stratosphere. The Biden corruption was selling his father's cooperation for money. Using a front of business, in which Hunter had no real qualification for, and selling access to the Vice President is not the same as Hunter working for Joe's administration. Although new documents suggest Biden may have been getting kick back, we do know Hunter made millions.

When African presidents give official jobs to their close family members people in Europe and North America tend to condemn it as corruption and nepotism. It seems different standards apply to US presidents.

>3 JGL53:

It was nice to learn that the FOX news division occasionally puts the
country's welfare front and center for brief moments in time.

>10 Cubby.R.S.: The Trump family's unethical behavior has for his entire presidency been ignored or shoved aside every day by its fanbase. Just skimming for discussion about one member, Ivanka, we see some highlights....

"Ivanka’s biz prospers as politics mixes with business" -- https://apnews.com/article/d9e34f23a64947d99e4a7d757012c509 (Apr 2017)

"Ivanka Trump: Born to legitimize corruption and make the shoddy look cute" -- https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-heffernan-ivanka-legitimizing-201803... (Mar 2018)

"As Trump criticizes Hunter Biden, House Democrats should be investigating his daughter" -- https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-criticizes-hunter-biden-house-democr... (Oct 2019, different year, same talking points)

Citizens for Ethics said more recently-- only last week-- that "Ivanka Trump violated the Hatch Act eight times in just over 48 hours".
https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/iva... (Oct 2020)

Predictably, she's not alone. Her adult siblings have also been playing politics as if the USA is their family business instead of a democratic nation.

"How Don Jr., Ivanka, and Eric Trump Have Profited Off Their Dad's Presidency" -- https://www.gq.com/story/trump-kids-profit-presidency (Oct 2019)
Subheader: "No one knows a 'clear conflict of interest' when they see it better than the president's children."

"Those Foreign Business Ties? The Trump Sons Have Plenty Too" -- https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/11/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-eric-trump-busine... (Oct 2019)

>1 Carnophile: good. Biden is making it clear that he won't contribute to viral superspreading events like a certain person who has acted in the past few years as if he's allergic to the Oval Office.

Your guesses make no sense, but I'll thank you for sharing actual news.

>13 aspirit:

My first thought is; Trump's children do have an added advertising platform, and I grant it is possible that they have used their positions as such. But there's no reason to believe Trump's status as President has offered them significant advantages in the form of threatening or coercing foreign officials. The pieces offer little but suggestion and what is suggested is forceful and without evidence of corruption at that. I would argue that they have possibly lost money due to the hate and vitriol that half of the nation spews out. Neither the benefit or the loss is clear though. Some of the money being exposed is just silly to assume it's being done illegally. The sales and or purchase of property, really? Paying off mortgages suddenly, really? Billionaires are Billionaires, they can come up with millions pretty quick. The new patents and applications, I can't honestly comment on without knowledge. That situation is washed over quite vaguely, and happens quite literally every day. We must consider they applied for hundreds and were granted 3. It is possible that that was news they delivered on that day for a reason, but not being granted because Trump forced them to.

What is clear, they were not using the power of the U.S. Government to make money by forcing the cooperation of foreign nations. Despite what you may believe in these opinion pieces, the amount of money that the Trump family is gaining by his position, is not being done at the same percentage that the Biden family acquired it. Political favors are about the extent of Joe's dealings, Biden has literally made a career out of it. We do know that Hunter was selling access to his father. So you're aware, in one of those articles it talks about Burisma. It's interesting that Hunter was receiving payment from them, and yet Joe was out to get them? In any case, a business buying and selling real estate is a little bit different.

Also, here's another interesting tidbit: One article talks about Jared's unqualified role in dealing for peace in the Middle East. Well, those dealings have faired much better than the lies and support for terrorists that the Obama Administration doled out.

>2 JGL53: "No one with a properly functioning brain give a fucking shit about Biden's son's emails." (Sic.)

So, then, as you'd see it, practically anyone and everyone much inclined to favor Trump would, logically, give a good deal of a fucking shit about Biden's son's e-mails. While, on the other hand, only those already in the bag for Biden --or, as you'd put it, "those with a properly functioning brain" would be inclined to dismiss it, or, as you put it, not "give a fucking shit about Biden's son's e-mails."

Glad we have that clear. Nothing to worry about then, hmmm?

And you people think you have the good judgment to better select who ought to run the government? LOL!

Sound familiar?
"Psychopathy is characterized by superficial charm, grandiosity, pathological lying and a lack of empathy. Descriptions of the syndrome were rooted in research in the criminal justice system, where psychopaths often end up. {There are} three underlying personality features that psychopaths share, whether they commit illegal acts or not: fearless dominance, meanness and impulsivity. The psychopath does what he or she wants, without anxiety, regret or regard for the suffering of others."

>13 aspirit: I looked at your first link, which reports that

“Since her father was elected president of the United States, global sales of Ivanka Trump merchandise have surged and the company has applied for at least nine new trademarks... Sales hit record levels in 2017...”

Gosh!

>14 aspirit: good. Biden is making it clear that he won't contribute to viral superspreading events.

Heh. Yeah, that’s the reason.

Today is exactly two weeks from Election Day.

Biden suspended all campaigning from early Monday morning, before 8:00 am, until Thursday night.

He suspended campaigning for almost four days, two weeks before Election Day.

Holy moly.

> 19

WTF?

The Harris campaign I think is suspended for a while because some top aids have tested positive for Covid.

I know nothing about Biden suspending his campaign. If he has then it is because of a similar reason. You think he has just given up and suspended his campaign because he is just conceding? Why would he do that when is is ahead in the electoral college by something like 340 - 198?

What the hell has gone wrong with you, Carno? You're sounding more and more like Orange Hitler every time you post? Losing it?

I have no doubt that Biden and son, like nearly all politicians, are somewhat corrupt and take advantage sometime when it not kosher, but in comparison to Orange Hitler and sons and daughter and wife, Biden and son are like angels visiting from heaven, as Orange Hitler and family are like demons straight from Satan's asshole.

And most people can see and understand that. Lesser of evils.

And there's your problem, trumphumpers.

>17 Crypto-Willobie: " Sound familiar?" ... The psychopath does what he or she wants, without anxiety, regret or regard for the suffering of others."

As, for example, when Hillary Clinton overruled repeated warnings from her own closest advisors and, reprising Darryl F. Zanuck's "The kid stays in the picture!," ordered that the home-based undeclared & illegal personal e-mail server in the basement was going to stay there and go on in operation--including for official business uses--you mean?

Finally so exasperated with the warnings, she, or another under her instructions, declared that anyone who made further issue of it, further objections, could either quit the team or be dismissed.

Both Obama and Biden had to have been aware of these things since their offices were sending official e-mail traffic to and receiving official e-mail traffic from this off-the-reservation mail-server and no survival-minded Washington staffer at that level would ever have taken upon himself or herself the prerogative to see this going on and not bring it quickly to the Boss's attention--which, of course, the record tells us they did in fact around HRC.

Yes, I see it now. Sounds familiar. And the "familly"'s name is "Clinton" or, in this case, "Rodham-Clinton". No matter.

>20 JGL53:

Lesser of observable evils, maybe. The corruption of Trump pre-Pres might have existed, except they didn't find anything to incriminate him on. The President Trump would've certainly been impeached if he did anything illegal -- with the support of Republicans who don't want him to find out their dirty deeds either. You are witnessing a coup on our Government and supporting it by pretending that Harris and Biden are not corrupt and more so at that. My problem with supporting Slow Joe Crow and the Whore of Babylon is essentially policy. I don't want their policy to collapse our nation and make us all slaves to an International Government. We have been riding a big wave of debt, when Harris becomes President (when the 25th takes Joe out in a month or two) and starts pissing all over your rights, you won't like it either.

Do not vote for Biden-Harris or vote third party and you will make a difference because Democrats will be forced to accept that the corruption that they stand for is rejected. Trump has done nothing, literally nothing to harm this country, except exist. The hate you feel for him has been built on lies. He is a douche for sure, but all that hate is part of the coup.

Piers Morgan, Piers freaking Morgan even says --

“It’s not the job of tech giants like Facebook and Twitter to have an instinctive reaction to suppress every element of that story or for most of the mainstream media to say, nothing to see here, in fact, the only story is this terrible smear on the Bidens,” Morgan continued. “And I would say to you Tucker, imagine if we switched the names around. Imagine if the story was about Donald Trump Jr. and Donald Trump. What would be happening? Do you think the tech giants would be suppressing the story? Would the mainstream media be ignoring the story saying it’s all just an unfair smear on the Trumps?”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/morgan-shreds-media-tech-companies-over-biden-sca...

This is not a singular example.

As far as Biden putting a lid on his campaign -- constantly, this is just to keep his deterioration from public view. They know he can't handle the job. Shame on you and all other Biden voters for allowing personal feelings to destroy the country.

That all comes with the caveat that the Democrats can find enough dead folks to vote.

>23 Cubby.R.S.: "an International Government"?

>20 JGL53: I know nothing about Biden suspending his campaign.

Biden calls lid on campaign events until after debate with Trump

Biden Campaign Goes Dark Until Thursday Without Answering Questions On Hunter Biden Story

The Harris campaign I think is suspended for a while because some top aids have tested positive for Covid... If he (Biden) has then it is because of a similar reason.

If that were true they would have said so. (Actually I'm surprised they didn't just lie and say it anyway.) Their official story is that he's doing debate prep.

You think he has just given up ...?

No. I think that either he has serious health issues, or the Hunter Biden email trove is part of a larger email trove that has them stark puking terrified.

>24 John5918:

I would like to discuss that a bit more in depth and do not have time. Currently, the most trusted currency has been the United States, and since 2016 when the Democrats constantly undermined the results of the election; it was the first time that the United States had been behaving like a Banana Republic. When the Federal Reserve fails, which it is most certainly determined to do, we will no longer represent the most stable option for currency. This leads into quite a dynamic, as the world has never had a stable currency aside of the U.S. since gold was to prohibitive to monopolies.

I should probably state that, I cannot possibly suggest a larger U.N. sort of Government without facts or documentation, although some openly wish for this, I suppose I mean we will be insufferably tormented financially by other countries as our currency will fail.

>26 Earthling1: I think it's irresponsible and unethical for any person to vote for Donald Trump. He's a bully and a fraud and he's possibly got dementia. There are books published about his behavior; active groups dedicated to documenting, reviewing, and sharing news of his crimes; and constant speculation among medical professionals (not like the YouTube actors supporting Trump quotes, but actual practioners in the medicine they publicly discuss) about his erratic speech, physical leaning, strange body movements, and the suspect statements from his doctor.

I know people in medicine. I'm telling you what they say: Donald Trump might have dementia. But as the acting POTUS doing a horrendous job in public health administration and safe campaigning for reelection, a bigger concern is that after hiring some of the worst people for the few positions he's filled (and kept filled), he also contributing to the spread of the novel coronavirus. The hospital workers I know despise him. They're worn down, underpaid, sometimes unequipped, afraid not only for themselves, and furious at the current administration for putting us all in the current public health crisis.

Meanwhile, we have a candidate who doesn't think himself a better scientist than every epidemiologist, drug researcher, and technical engineer in the country. He acknowledges scientific consensus and the daily efforts of the emergency responders to keep people alive. His intelligence, kindness, curiousity, and gentle humor comes through in his social media posts, speeches, and policies. We also know he has experience with viral outbreaks, handled better when he was previously serving in the White House.

So, actually, listening to Joe Biden is incredibly reassuring after the past few years with the anti-intellectual, greedy, selfish, American-hating cheat who now can't figure out how to keep his braying mouth beyond a f---ing mask when around human beings, who he's taught to endanger themselves for his ego. Biden isn't who I had voted for in the primaries but is who I'm proudly voting for this week.

>29 aspirit:

Just saying things does not make them true.

Biden is not a good alternative. Biden is actually suffering with cognitive problems and somehow Trump is the one suddenly under question? I really don't know why you try to say these things, when observably Biden is struggling and the only reason to pin it on Trump is to convince yourself? Save it, no really, please do not bother posting it. The echo chamber portion of this board doesn't care and anyone else not being fed the lies of your media isn't going to believe you. Biden, reassuring? Give me a break.

And the COVID thing is over, just like Russia. If not for Democrats, it would already be like the flu in this nation.

Interesting: Biden broke his silence today to issue a denial of any wrongdoing by him or his son.

When Biden wins, mentally and morally lacking as he is, just what will all you Orange Hitler-lovers do then, other than cry and whine?

Just curious.

>32 JGL53:
Better myself and stand up for what I believe in, until the violent leftists kill me or imprison me as they say they should.

>32 JGL53: what will all you Orange Hitler-lovers do ...?

Leftists going so extreme that they compare Trump to Hitler, costs Democrats votes. I'd advise you to do less of this, but it's too late now that the left's mask has been off for years.

When Biden wins...

What does this remind me of? Sounds familiar, somehow. Hmmm, where have I heard something like this before? Oh, yeah, four years ago: "When Hillary wins..."

Anyway, we're not going to have any resolution on November 3; we're going to have a drawn-out conflict for who-knows how long. And we are past the point when the party that's not in the White House acknowledges the legitimacy of the person in the White House. That ended with the left's reaction of 2016, probably never to return.

"Does it look like he thinks he won?"

https://t.co/jIHDnXfZJy

#36--looks more like he's huffing and puffing and putting microbes in the air. If I saw anyone like that in public right now I'd be steering clear by about a 1000 yards. He's like a walking talking contagion factory. Whoever cleaned that building afterwards needed to put on a hazmat suit.

On the subject of cognitivity I think they both have issues. It would not shock me if Harris actually finishes out Biden's four years. I don't expect these next 4 years to be great but I do expect some relief from all the stupidity of the last four years-----though I expect the right's fear mongering story telling will continue.

Now Biden has called off all in-person events for the remainder of the campaign.

> 39 LOL

#38---yeah doing the safe thing. We don't need to hear anymore from Biden anyway. I've already made up my mind a long time ago.

Meanwhile the dipshit in the White House will be out there having a few more of his superspreader events and throwing all his lies about some more. He's won two Nobel prizes you know.

>41 lriley:

They had 100 plus people at Obama's event. I hear they just started wearing masks too.

Probably killed half the people here in March.

https://amp.detroitnews.com/amp/3317088001

#42--all the more reason for him to stay in his basement. I never said I didn't think Joe wasn't fucked up. He's just not nearly as fucked up as your guy.

>43 lriley:
My guy is doing a great job. It's too bad more people couldn't see the horrible takeover our politicians and press are pulling on the country. Do you really think if Trump was breaking the law they couldn't have gotten him out? They knew he'd wreck the place and expose them eventually and they have spent a ton of our money covering it up. I was so wrong about Trump, I feel pretty bad about not supporting him prior to this year. Oh well, I pull the lever for him soon enough, and I hope for my sake and yours he wins.

As the Klavan says, Biden literally is the Swamp Thing.

#44--Your guy is extremely fucked up. Pale white hands orange face--crazy hair--adderall coming out of his cocaine nose now and again. That's just external observation. Once he opens his pie hole things get so much worse. Just had a bunch of our worst days with the Covid-19 he's finally admitted through his chief of staff that he's done almost nothing to control. I keep thinking back to USPS wanting to deliver to each mailing address in the country 5 facemasks back in April/May--even before masks really became a thing. How many lives might that have saved? We'll never know will we because the assclown in the White House stopped that before it even started. No he didn't bring the pandemic to these shores but he's done fuck all to stop it.....and because he's done fuck all to stop it our economy tanked too and it will take years if not decades to bring it back. You who are so impatient to restart shit should keep this in mind--everything is going to be shit until there's some control of this pandemic.

>45 lriley: Call Trump Hitler. Come on, you know you want to.

>45 lriley:

Not too bad really. I think after this election, regardless of the results, this country will go hard to Conservatism. If the Progressives do everything they say they are going to do, they'll be utterly rejected. Even if they do silence Conservative voices and shut down Conservatives better than they already have, this country will reject them full tilt. Trump didn't cause this current state of the nation, the media did by doing everything they could to push all the lies. Trump is probably going to be reelected and possibly win the popular vote, all because Joe is trying to lie about everything to appease a large swath on both sides that do not like him.

Lindsey Graham 2020! .....

Orange Hitler's balls aren't going to lick themselves.

>48 JGL53: Hitler's balls

I suppose you're all familiar with the old song that used to be sung a lot in Britain? "Hitler has only got one ball..."

Now Biden says he’s going to hold at least one in-person event

So I guess he does want to kill people with COVID now? Why is he such a sadistic serial killer? What psychological... what’s that? Oh, avoiding COVID risk, etc. was yesterday’s eternal and immutable moral principle.

#46--Really? Hitler was Hitler. Trump is Trump. If you are asking if I think they are both sociopathic narcissistic megalomaniacs then okay there are some comparisons to be made. Hitler's appearances in public with that bit of mustache is not quite as strange as Trump's face coloring or candy floss-ish yellow hair or whatever that is on top of his head. Hitler if he had eschewed his crazy political obsessions and careerism to be boss and had decided to become a plumber instead could have made it through life without the people around him thinking that he was anything more than a somewhat embittered WWI crank of which there were millions around at the time. Trump as currently construed could only be a laughingstock. So there--I hope that makes you happy I've separated the two.

What's kind of funny to me is 65 million people have already voted and Trump's goofy story about Biden and Hunter Biden can't even pass muster to even most of the good folks at Fox News. It's obvious it's not going to stick---is going to be seen by most of the voting public as just one more last minute desperate ploy by Team Trump to throw a Hail Mary pass when the quarterback doesn't have the arm to quite reach the end zone or the legs to make a run out of it and the referee has whistle in his mouth. It's all but over.

#47--how many times do you need to be told that Biden is not a progressive? He was one of the most republican friendly Senators in the Senate for decades--he's not a socialist and more a guy who jumped on the neo-liberal bandwagon back in the day when brother Bill was showcasing his brand new Third Way vehicle for everlasting success that's done nothing but fail and fail and fail. Now what Joe's going to do we'll have to see--Mr. Trump though decided long ago he couldn't deal with the shit on his plate--that shit is still there and if Donald didn't eat it Biden will have to. So Coronavirus will be one part of that meal--the Covid economy another. These will be his first major tests. Our economy is consumer driven and to stupid republicans like Paul and McConnell austerity not stimulation is the answer. Austerity (is in the neo-lib/con playbook as a solution for all the pesky peasants or 95 % of the population --we don't have enough money--you'll just have to go without--meanwhile we'll go on the same as ever) will wipe out small business like no tomorrow as well as undercut public services by pretty much defunding them because the tax revenue to pay for that will dry up with all the small business failures and job losses---then the depression will deepen. Stimulation is the only answer but I'm not sure a lot of democrats are all that much smarter than some of those on the other side.

>51 lriley:

Harris is, and everyone knows that Biden is playing both sides of the fence. You are right, Biden is the Swamp Thing, he could care less about policy, he just wants the power. But, those that are surrounding him are Progressives and he has already promised them policy moves. Let's also stop pretending that he won't be out of office by the end of 2021. He is literally demented and his utterances have even started to get cameras pulled from his face because he's lost.

#52--just stop. Harris is not a socialist or anything close. She's another establishment hack really--closer to Klobuchar than a Warren let alone an AOC. The thing with Harris is she's kind of a wind vane and she'll pick up ideas from here and from there but discard them again and move back to the middle when push comes to shove. You know she could have (as California Atty. General) easily prosecuted this Mnuchin before he became Trump's Treasury Secretary for banking irregularities dating to his time with OneWest. Why did she let him off? Because at the time that's what the political winds favored.

>53 lriley:

You just stop, and I'm rubber and you're glue.

GovTrack has her as top... Progressive Punch has her Progressive score at 94.47 just below Bernie.

https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kamala_harris/412678/report-card/2019

>51 lriley: Trump's goofy story about Biden and Hunter Biden can't even pass muster to even most of the good folks at Fox News.

Tucker Carlson did an hour-long segment on it a couple of nights ago.

Though your broader point, that Fox is swinging toward the left lately, has indeed been noted by many in the conservasphere.

Also: “Goofy story”? Biden’s own business partner confirmed the China corruption!

It's obvious it's not going to stick---is going to be seen by most of the voting public as just one more last minute desperate ploy by Team Trump

Since you raise the topic:

Rasmussan: Most Say Biden/Hunter Business Connection Likely

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 54% of Likely U.S. Voters believe it’s likely that Biden was consulted about and perhaps profited from Hunter’s overseas business deals including at least one involving a company in mainland China.

#54-55---wasting your time now. I did my early voting today. I didn't see the orange buffoon's name on the ballot. That said I wasn't looking for it either.

#54--look--I wish she was but she's not. Try AOC, Omar or Tlaib or Jamaal Bowman or Kori Bush.

>56 lriley:

Your viewpoints, unless you can refute them are now:

- 8 year old children should get sex changes based on their feelings
- Everyone in the U.S., regardless of prior offenses and immigration status should receive a paycheck and voting rights
- People should be forced into paying for healthcare whether they want it or not
- Blacks should be given money for being black and be allowed to burglarize stores as part of protest for reparations
- White people are racist in their DNA and therefore guilty of hate crimes for simply being white
- Men should be able to use women's showers with women, as long as they claim to be a woman
- The Constitution should be eliminated because it is a fancy word for racism/sexism/homophobic
- All Conservatives should be silenced or sentenced based on their egregiousness of thought
- The first amendment, second amendment and fourteenth amendment need revised into uselessness and or abolished
- In the Middle East, the Jews are the only problem
- It is okay for a sitting President to attack and conspire against the incoming administration
- It is okay for Government officials to make money using the U.S. Government's powers
- It is beneficial for the media to act in concert with one political party
- Full term abortion and/or including the elimination of a freshly born infant is the mother's choice
- We should remove subsidies for energy companies using fossil fuels, so that people receiving reduced energy costs have to lose heat or gas in their home, until enough windmills and solar panels can replace them

I'll stop for now. But I'm excited to see why Progressives really like these things.

>57 Cubby.R.S.:
This made me actually laugh out loud. I'll add some more:

-The DNC will open the door for Kenyan Nationalist Barack Obama to take over the US government behind his ISIS hordes.

-Socialist Biden should work with leftwing radical pharmaceutical companies to ensure only whites can contract coronavirus.

-Windows 10 was created by Bill Gates to allow George Soros to invent climate change

-It's okay that Osama bin Laden is alive and well and working for Jeff Bezos at the Washington Post under the byline, "George Will"

Come on lriley. Try to deny it.

#58--I think #57 speaks for itself and I actually don't know honestly what to say about it other than Cubby's perceptions of a Biden/Harris presidency are quite stunning---your additions do improve on and flesh it out some though.

To comment on a couple things from 57:

'8 year old children should get sex changes based on their feelings'.

It happens enough that young children by that age may already know that something is maladjusted about their gender identification. This of course bothers so many of the sexually repressed on the conservative side of the political ledger. It bothers them a lot. They will have it that if you're born with a dink you're a dink and if you're born with a vagina you're a vagina and yet they see themselves as the 'freedumb' people. Looking deeper for the person inside the body is not something they are at all comfortable with. It calls them to maybe question their own identities and that's a challenge they're not up to. Instead they'd rather allow maladjustments to go forward which is one of the reasons why we have pedophile priests and child predators but also people who do not feel comfortable in their own skins. Wouldn't we be better off allowing the space for people not harming others to be happy with themselves? Trading in sneakers and blue jeans for a dress and high heels shouldn't have to be that big of a deal. It's not my job or Cubby's job (though he seems to think it is) to pass judgement on someone who has a different view on their sexual identification. It does seem to be a problem for Cubby and others who share his views to accept that though. They're the freedumb people remember.

'People should be forced into paying for health care whether they want it or not' + 'Full term abortion and/or including the elimination of a freshly born infant is the mother's choice'

Us M4A people of which the so-called socialist Kamala Harris is not even sure she is an M4A person (which certainly calls into question her leftist creds if you ask me) would not mind a Canadian or Scandinavian style health care system and isn't it funny that on a happiness scale those countries are all ahead of ours. This can be achieved through a sales tax system or even properly taxing the richest 1% of our people instead of which we've been giving them tax break after tax break. Practically the rest of the western world has a universal health system and a much less expensive health care system than we do. Cubby should spend a couple weeks in the hospital with Covid--just to see the bills delivered to his door weeks and months later. He certainly won't be able to afford them unless he's already a millionaire. Biggest reason for bankruptcies in the United States?--I'd ask Cubby but apparently he doesn't know the reason--medical/hospital bills wipe out the finances of more people by far than anything else.

The continued nonsense from the right about abortion. 'We'd have 30/40/50 million more people alive today in the United States if we could knock down abortion'---blah, blah, blah, blah----'just think one of those people could be next pope or president of the united states or the board turner on the price is right'----blah, blah, blah.

If we had 30/40/50 million higher population we would have a very large % of these babies brought up in neglect and/or poverty. It's funny how the right will commit to saving unwanted babies but will balk at committing anything to bringing them up. That's to be a punishment on the parents and quite often that's just the single mother who again quite often has almost no means on her own. Conservatives can't stand welfare, food stamps, the SNAP program, they don't want to pay the medical costs--when these children come of age there will be even greater competition for the not enough jobs problem this country already has (because we have to keep siphoning more money upwards into the bank accounts of the wealthiest) and conservatives will be super concerned if they ever turned into a voting bloc. What conservatives seem to want here is the moral high ground where they can parade their holier than thou bonafides before their religious leader of choice. They're not interested in the nitty gritty of any of this--the pain and suffering is for somebody else---the glory of basking in God's glow for them.

>57 Cubby.R.S.:

If that's what the US right wing believes a centrist to left-of-centre agenda to be, then the USA certainly has perception problems. And as has frequently been pointed out to you, by gobal standards your Democratic party is not even leftist - at best it is centrist or right-of-centre.

Your list is a mixture of: complete falsehoods. eg "Blacks should be allowed to burglarize stores", "The Constitution should be eliminated because it is a fancy word for racism/sexism/homophobic", "All Conservatives should be silenced or sentenced based on their egregiousness of thought", "It is beneficial for the media to act in concert with one political party", "In the Middle East, the Jews are the only problem", etc; false assumptions, eg that reducing subsidies to fossil fuels will lead to losing heat or gas in homes; and things which are considered mainstream by most developed western democracies, eg taxpayers paying for universal health care (as in right wing Britain) whether they want it or not (just as taxpayers all over the world have to pay for the military, the police and the fire brigade whether they want it or not), revisions to a constitution to reflect changing circumstances, that everyone should receive some form of basic living allowance (whether you call it a paycheck, welfare, unemployment benefit, the Dole, or whatever), etc.

Voting rights is an interesting and complex one. Irish citizens and some Commonwealth citizens resident in the UK have long had voting rights, and I believe Britons resident in Ireland can vote there. EU citizens resident in the UK could vote in local government elections before the UK left the EU. UK citizens who live outside the UK lose their voting rights in the UK after 15 years. It's not about "no taxation without representation", since UK citizens who don't pay tax still get to vote, while foreign residents who do pay UK tax don't get to vote. Likewise people in Puerto Rico and Washington DC pay federal taxes but don't get to vote. You say "regardless of prior offenses", but there is no reason why people who have committed an offence should automatically lose their right to vote, and in many countries there are limited or no restrictions on prisoners or people with a criminal record voting. There's plenty of room for electoral reform, if one can avoid polarising it politically and look at it through the lens of fairness, the rights of the individual and the common good of a democratic society.

It's interesting to see your viewpoints. Thanks.

'In the Middle East, the jews are the only problem'

Boy.......but before we get to that we certainly had no business invading Iraq to topple our republican party nurtured puppet and we certainly could have kept our word with the Iranians on the nuclear deal which was working. Fact is we should have long ago come with a peace pipe to the Iranians---Trump also shouldn't have betrayed the Kurds to make the Turkish dictator Erdogan happy. And the continual kissing up to the Saudi's by both the Bush and Trump administrations is repellent. The Saudis were behind the 9-11 attack--we took it out on the Iraqis---that's not a conspiracy theory and the Iranians a mostly Shia country had 0 to do with that. Could we have provided refuge to Syrian refugees after the ISIS (created by American foreign policy missteps) blowback? Yeah we could have done that but Trump would rather make things worse.

But here's the problem with Israeli and Saudi and our Middle Eastern foreign policy--we allow these two countries to have a say in everything and they're both bad actors. There is no critique of either country and Israel's domestic policies are both bigoted and racist and very comparable to the worst days of South Africa's abuses of its black population. The right of return is a Geneva Convention standard that the Israelis have ignored for over 50 years. That one part of the Palestinian population has been herded into the Gaza Strip--quite literally an open air prison of more than one million inhabitants---fenced in and including guardposts with guard trained to shoot to kill and patrolled by air (fighter jets) and sea (Israeli navy). Hardly anyone can get and out and subject to the whims of the Israeli security forces and government. Of the water found within the strip only around 2% is potable. It is arguably as large of a human rights crime as there is on the planet. In the West Bank this land was reserved for Palestinians after they were driven out everywhere else. It is intended to be part of a two nation peace settlement. Israeli settlers continue to move in and take the land by force and illegally and yet the Israeli govt. allows illegal land grabs only if it is done by Jews. Let's also remind that not all Palestinians are Muslim---there is a small but significant Muslim Christian population who are also at the mercy of those who would steal their land. This has been going on for a long time and has been greenlighted by the Trump administration and Jared Kushner himself is invested in illegally appropriated Palestinian land. By the way I'm currently reading Apeirogon a novel written by the Irish writer Colum McCann which focuses on two real people--one the Palestinian Bassam Aramin and the other an Israeli citizen Rami Elhanan--both of whom have lost daughters to the violence of the other side and both of whom are partners in the Parents Circle an organization that aims at peaceful solutions. The problem right now is the Israeli govt. has all the power but is not interested in peace.

>56 lriley: wasting your time now. I did my early voting today.

I wasn't trying to convince you to vote for Trump.

#65--well good. I'm not trying to convince you to vote for Biden either and to emphasize that I don't even like Joe.