YouKneeK’s 2021 SF&F Overdose Part 2

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YouKneeK’s 2021 SF&F Overdose Part 2

1YouKneeK
feb 27, 2021, 8:56 pm

Welcome to part 2 of my 2021 thread! Here’s my usual introductory info:
  • I read mostly science fiction and fantasy, with a heavier emphasis on fantasy.
  • I tend to read slightly older books versus the newest releases.
  • I hate spoilers. Any spoilers in my reviews should be safely hidden behind spoiler tags.
  • I prefer to read a series after it’s complete, and I read all the books pretty close together.
  • I’m 45, female, and live in the suburbs of Atlanta, GA in the U.S where I work as a programmer.
  • My cat’s name is Ernest and he’s a freak.

This year I’ve been using some Milanote boards to present a few things that may be of occasional interest. Click here if you’re interested in any of the following things:
  • Tentative reading plans for the next several months. I’m checking books off here as I read them, and will update it as I make changes.
  • Audiobook plans. I’ve listed all the audiobooks currently on my list to try at some point and am checking off the ones I’ve listened to.
  • Reading stats. As of today, there are no stats posted for 2021 yet. I’ll update them at the end of each quarter.
  • Cross-stitch pictures. I’m posting updated pictures of my two current projects about once a week, usually on Sunday night. I also have a few pictures of some of my favorite previously-completed projects.

2YouKneeK
Bewerkt: apr 25, 2021, 10:54 am

2021 Reading Index

Clicking on the Date Read will take you to the post containing the review.

   Date Read/
 # Review Link  Title                            Author(s)
1 2021-01-07   Kushiel's Mercy                  Jacqueline Carey
2 2021-01-10   The Best of All Possible Worlds  Karen Lord
3 2021-01-18   Naamah's Kiss                    Jacqueline Carey
4 2021-01-29   Naamah's Curse                   Jacqueline Carey
5 2021-02-03   Restoration                      Carol Berg
6 2021-02-06   Naamah's Blessing                Jacqueline Carey
7 2021-02-09   The Diary of a Young Girl        Anne Frank
8 2021-02-13   Rosewater                        Tade Thompson
9 2021-02-13   The Last Wish                    Andrzej Sapkowski
10 2021-02-20   The Sword-Edged Blonde           Alex Bledsoe
11 2021-02-21   The House of the Spirits         Isabel Allende
12 2021-02-27   Hounded                          Kevin Hearne
13 2021-03-01   Furies of Calderon               Jim Butcher
14 2021-03-05   We Are Legion (We are Bob)       Dennis E. Taylor
15 2021-03-12   Academ's Fury                    Jim Butcher
16 2021-03-20   Three Parts Dead                 Max Gladstone
17 2021-03-21   Cursor's Fury                    Jim Butcher
18 2021-04-01   Captain's Fury                   Jim Butcher
19 2021-04-03   Foreigner                        C. J. Cherryh
20 2021-04-08   Princeps' Fury                   Jim Butcher
21 2021-04-17   Midnight Riot                    Ben Aaronovitch
22 2021-04-25   First Lord's Fury                Jim Butcher

3YouKneeK
Bewerkt: feb 27, 2021, 9:05 pm

Audiobook Review: Hounded by Kevin Hearne



Hounded is the first book in the Iron Druid Chronicles, an urban fantasy series. This was another one of my series-sampling audio listens, to see if I might want to pursue this series in print someday.

Audio Narration
The narrator is Luke Daniels. He did a really good job, one of the better audio narrators I’ve listened to, although admittedly I haven’t listened to very many yet. His voice seemed perfect for the main character, Atticus. He also did the narration of Atticus’ dog, Oberon, very well. I felt like I was actually listening to a dog talk. He did well with other voices too, including female voices.

My one small complaint is that I had some trouble distinguishing between when Atticus was providing information to the reader and when he was providing information to another character. There were several times when I thought Atticus was giving information as an aside to the reader, and then another character would respond to what he had said and I’d realize he’d been speaking out loud after all.

Story
The main character, Atticus, is the last known Druid. He’s been alive for about 2100 years although he appears and pretends to be 21. In the distant past, he stole a magical sword from a god. Over the centuries, Atticus has been hunted (or “Hounded”, if you will) by that god and every now and then he is found and has to find a new place to hide. He’s been living in Tempe, Arizona for a while and now it looks like the god has caught up with him again.

I haven’t read a ton of urban fantasy, and my few experiences with it haven’t been that positive. I particularly hate it when tons of different beings/creatures showing up in name only for a paragraph or two without any context or depth, just to be in the story and show how much the author knows about mythology. Happily, this story wasn’t like that. There were several different creatures, but not an overwhelming variety and they all made sense and were developed well enough to justify their inclusion in the story. The plot was maybe a little simplistic, and I wonder if I might have been more bored with it if I’d been reading it in print, but simpler stories work better for me in audio because I don’t retain what I hear as well as I retain what I read. Also, my attention is partly on what I'm physically doing and not exclusively focused on the story.

There’s quite a lot of humor. It often made me laugh, but it did get to be a little too much at times. Atticus’ dog, Oberon, provides a good portion of the humor. Their relationship was sweet and their banter could be funny at times, but I’ll probably be in the minority for not being a huge fan of Oberon. He was just so… doglike. So obsessed with food. And French poodles. I don’t dislike dogs exactly, but in the real world I prefer to experience them in very small doses. They’re just so eager and needy. Give me a stuck-up, self-absorbed, but reluctantly affectionate cat. ;) I’ve enjoyed dogs in other books, so I’m not sure why Oberon didn’t appeal to me more. Maybe it’s partly because the audio increased his dogginess. I unreservedly liked the widow, though. The story needed more of her!

I had some trouble buying into Atticus’ youthful attitudes considering his age. On the other hand, he was probably more fun to read about than the more stereotypical world-weary, cynical character would have been. I’m not sure if I could take him (and the dog) in large doses, but he was fun for the length of a short book. I’m still not 100% sure if I want to follow up on this series in print someday. I’ve marked it as a “maybe”.

I’m rating this at 3.5 stars. I had a really, really hard time deciding whether to round up or down. I’ve been flip-flopping about it all the way up until writing this paragraph. I’ve decided to round up to 4. It doesn’t really feel like a book I would normally give 4 stars too, and I’ve given 4 stars to other books that I read in print and enjoyed quite a lot more, so I think I’m being overly generous. However, 3 stars feels unfairly low considering how much fun I mostly had listening to it.

Next Audiobook
We are Legion (We are Bob) by Dennis E. Taylor. This was the March science fiction pick in the group I’m in on Goodreads. I normally wouldn’t have joined in on this one since it’s an incomplete series and it sounds like the author hopes to keep writing in the setting for a long time, but I thought I’d fit it in with my new audio strategy.

4Narilka
feb 27, 2021, 10:27 pm

>3 YouKneeK: Oberon's the best :)

I hope you enjoy the Bobiverse. The first three books read as a cohesive trilogy just fine if you're interested.

5-pilgrim-
feb 28, 2021, 4:13 am

>1 YouKneeK: Those Milanotes are a nice way of keeping an overview.

6YouKneeK
feb 28, 2021, 7:22 am

>4 Narilka: Thanks, that’s good to know about the first 3 books of the Bobiverse. I’ve been curious about this book for a while. The title appeals to me somehow.

>5 -pilgrim-: They are. At first it was just something to play around with that I didn’t think I would use over the long term, but they’re growing on me. They’re easy to set up, at least on a PC, and they’re especially easy to keep updated.

7fuzzi
feb 28, 2021, 7:56 am

>2 YouKneeK: impressive...

8BookstoogeLT
feb 28, 2021, 1:06 pm

>3 YouKneeK: Glad you at least enjoyed this. I made it to book 3 or 4 before dnf'ing the series and I kind of wish I'd done it right after book 1. Atticus and his millennial attitude only seemed to increase to me. I was blase about Oberon and didn't particularly care one or the other about him :-)

Good luck with Bobiverse. I dnf'd due to a particular bit of politics the author felt needed to be included but I've heard from others it was a one off thing and wasn't followed up or added to in the rest of the book/series. Hope it is fun for you.

9Karlstar
feb 28, 2021, 1:21 pm

>3 YouKneeK: Glad you enjoyed it! The next few books are just as good.

10YouKneeK
feb 28, 2021, 1:42 pm

>7 fuzzi: Several of those books are pretty short, and fitting in audiobooks has helped. I’ve been really happy with how well this audiobook thing is working out, especially considering my many past failed attempts.

>8 BookstoogeLT: I’m guessing you probably didn’t read the Iron Druid books back-to-back since that’s not normally your series-reading style? I think if I ever do read it in print, I’ll probably have to spread the books out a little more than I usually do.

I listened to the first hour of We Are Legion earlier today. This is going to be one of those annoying narrator books, although not as bad as The Last Wish was. I wasn’t too sure about the story when I first started listening, but it’s growing on me. I suspect this is going to turn into a (maybe not a spoiler if I’m completely wrong) robots take over the world from the perspective of the sentient robots story. But if so, I think it will be a unique take on the story.

>9 Karlstar: Thanks. I’ll probably teeter on the fence for a good long while about the Iron Druid series. At least now I know what it’s like. If I ever feel like it’s the exact thing I’m in the mood for, I’ll know where to go!

11BookstoogeLT
feb 28, 2021, 1:51 pm

>10 YouKneeK: I read the first 3 between September through december of '11 and then read the 4th mid-'12, which is when I abandoned the series. Maybe I would have liked it better if I'd spaced it out more but I really doubt it.

12clamairy
feb 28, 2021, 4:00 pm

>10 YouKneeK: What don't you like about the narrator? I thought he made the series work better for me.

13fuzzi
feb 28, 2021, 4:20 pm

>10 YouKneeK: actually I was impressed with your "spreadsheet"!

14YouKneeK
feb 28, 2021, 5:36 pm

>12 clamairy: I’m overly picky about narrators and often dislike narrators that the majority of people think are great. Neil Gaiman, for example, whose reading of Neverwhere made me want to stamp my feet and yell, "I'm not a child, stop reading to me like I am!" In this case, I’m being irritated by what my ears hear as excessively frequent dramatic pauses. It ceases to actually convey drama if it's used constantly. Sometimes it seems like there’s one every sentence, and sometimes in places where it doesn’t make the slightest bit of sense, as if he were using them so often that he forgot to stop doing it on the drama-free sentences. “He sat down at the… desk.” (I don’t think that actual sentence exists, but along those lines.) I was also driven a bit bonkers by the semi-singing for the early parts where Bob was learning to speak through the voice synthesizer, but I’m hoping I'm past the worst of that.

>13 fuzzi: Aaah, now I understand! It’s mostly the use of the <pre> </pre> tags surrounding the entire table to get a monospace font so that spacing can be used in each row to line up the columns.

15-pilgrim-
feb 28, 2021, 5:46 pm

>14 YouKneeK: That tip is worthy of adding to the "How to do clever things .." thread.

16YouKneeK
feb 28, 2021, 9:12 pm

>15 -pilgrim-: Thanks, I just added a post there about it in case anybody finds it useful, with more detail than I provided above.

17Storeetllr
Bewerkt: mrt 1, 2021, 7:02 pm

Interesting thread. Great table! I wish I had the drive to create one for myownself.

I really enjoyed the first 3 Bobiverse books. I DNFd the fourth one.

I love Gaiman's narration, but I can see how it might grate on someone's last nerve. The reader I can't stand is Scott Brick's rendition of The Passage. Almost every sentence was read with a lot of tension, as if it were highly significant. Like, "He went to the store to buy BREAD and MILK." (That sentence isn't exactly a quote from the book, but it's similar.) Anyway, I may have inadvertently listened to him narrate something, but I actively avoid any audiobook I know he's read.

As for the Iron Druid series, I read them all, and yes, they were a bit annoying at times but mostly light entertainment. I must admit to hating the last one, and not just because it was the end of the series.

18YouKneeK
mrt 1, 2021, 8:23 pm

>17 Storeetllr: Thanks!

LOL, it sounds like the Scott Brick narration would likely have driven me nuts too. I read The Passage in print and remember it being a pretty long book. Did you manage to make it through the entire audiobook like that? I seem to have a low threshold for deciding something is too melodramatic. It’s not that I want the narrator to read in a monotone, but I prefer a more understated, matter-of-fact narration style, with more drama added only at the really big moments so that it has some actual impact. It's like the difference between somebody who curses at every little thing, so that you soon learn to pay them no attention when they do it, versus the person who rarely curses so that everybody stops and takes notice when they do.

I find myself kind of missing Atticus, and maybe even Oberon a little, while I’m listening to We Are Legion. Or maybe it’s the narrator I miss. :) Probably a little of both.

19YouKneeK
mrt 1, 2021, 10:37 pm

Review: Furies of Calderon by Jim Butcher



Furies of Calderon is the first book in the six-book Codex of Alera epic fantasy series. I enjoyed it quite a bit and am happy to sink my teeth into another epic fantasy world.

The story is told in third-person from a few different perspectives. The main plot has some factions in Alera secretly moving against their High Lord, so there is political intrigue as well as plenty of action. There’s also a lot of magic, and most humans in the story have control of one or two “furies” which are elemental-type creatures like earth, water, etc.

The story is told well, although it does have quite a few standard epic fantasy tropes and there isn’t much that’s particularly twisty or surprising. It’s just a fun, solid epic fantasy story. Although I didn’t predict everything that happened very far in advance, I did usually predict it at least a little bit before it was revealed. The one exception was in the beginning when Fidelias turned out to be a traitor. As soon as the characters were introduced, I was thinking, “Ah, the beloved mentor figure. He’s not long for this world. The only question is whether he’ll be killed off at the beginning or the end. So when he was apparently killed off straight away, I nodded sagely and thought that was that. I was caught entirely off guard when he not only turned out to still be alive but also to be a traitor.

With the exception of one character from the opposing side who doesn’t get much POV time, I liked all the POV characters. Tavi, the fifteen-year-old boy, did take longer to grow on me, because the story starts off with him being irresponsible and dishonest, two things I have very little patience for. I enjoyed the story too. Even though it has familiar tropes, they had their own unique spin, and the magic system was different in my experience. It did get a little ridiculous though how many people nearly died but managed to be saved in the nick of time either by their own cleverness or somebody else’s intervention, or were severely wounded but managed to survive long enough to be healed.

Although I liked the concept of the elemental furies quite a lot, I wasn’t really sold on its implementation. It wasn’t very clearly defined; it was just used for stuff that kinda/sorta seemed related to the elemental being used. The water crafters in particular had abilities I wasn’t convinced made any sense. They could heal even very serious injuries, and could sense emotions. It felt more like the author needed those abilities for his story, so he assigned it to the elemental that seemed the least unrealistic of the bunch. But lots of fantasy books have magic that isn’t clearly-defined, so it isn’t usually a deal-breaker for me. Maybe it will gain more depth as the series progresses.

So in summary, the story isn’t perfect, but there was a lot I liked about it and it was a satisfying read to me as an epic fantasy fan. Although the main plot isn’t resolved by the end, the main events from this book do get wrapped up and it doesn’t end on a cliff hanger. I look forward to seeing how the series develops.

Next Book
Academ’s Fury, the next book in this series.

20BookstoogeLT
mrt 2, 2021, 5:24 am

>19 YouKneeK: Glad to see you gave this 4stars. As for the magic system, blame the Pokemon franchise...

21YouKneeK
mrt 2, 2021, 7:02 am

>20 BookstoogeLT: It wasn’t until after I finished posting my own review and started reading others that I learned Pokémon was one of the inspirations for the series. I know absolutely nothing about Pokémon though, so all that went over my head while I was reading it and still doesn't mean anything substantial to me.

22reading_fox
mrt 2, 2021, 7:02 am

>19 YouKneeK: "Maybe it will gain more depth as the series progresses." Don't hold your breath.

Maybe one day I should re-read this and see if I really dislike the rest as much as I remember.... but on the other hand there's so many new books that are probably better.

23YouKneeK
mrt 2, 2021, 7:04 am

>22 reading_fox: Ha, ok, I’ll try to avoid expecting too much from the magic system then!

24BookstoogeLT
mrt 2, 2021, 7:07 am

>21 YouKneeK: Basically, pokemon comes down to "Because....". Not a slam on the game or franchise (it's aimed at kids after all) but just a fact.

25Karlstar
mrt 2, 2021, 12:38 pm

>23 YouKneeK: >24 BookstoogeLT: I blamed Sanderson for the magic system, not Pokemon, but maybe Pokemon inspired Sanderson too? Come to think of it, Week's system in the Lightbringer series isn't much different. Will + substance = whatever I want!

26BookstoogeLT
mrt 2, 2021, 12:58 pm

>25 Karlstar: Kind of hard to blame Sanderson as he hadn't even published Elantris yet ;-)

27Narilka
mrt 2, 2021, 1:33 pm

Between your and BookstoogeLT's positive reviews, plus the fact that I already enjoy Butcher's writing, I am going to have to give this series a go.

28BookstoogeLT
mrt 2, 2021, 1:42 pm

>27 Narilka: You a Dresden fan?

29jjwilson61
mrt 2, 2021, 2:17 pm

I'll just point out that in Avatar: The Last Airbender healing was linked to water bending.

30Narilka
mrt 2, 2021, 3:39 pm

31BookstoogeLT
mrt 2, 2021, 3:42 pm

>30 Narilka: Well, I'd be careful of Alera then. My "studies" have shown that most fans of either franchise don't care nearly as much for the other, with a very small percentage in the middle liking both and then outlyers who hate both ;-)

32quondame
mrt 2, 2021, 3:51 pm

>21 YouKneeK: I never even thought of Pokémon in connection with The Furies of Calderon, and as the mother of a person who watched the show constantly, I cannot claim ignorance.

33YouKneeK
mrt 2, 2021, 5:17 pm

>27 Narilka: I hope you enjoy it too if you give it a try! I’d be interested to read what you think about it either way.

>25 Karlstar:, >32 quondame: Apparently the use of Pokémon in the Codex Alera series was the result of a challenge in a writer’s workshop. More details are near the top of this interview with Jim Butcher here.

34Karlstar
mrt 2, 2021, 5:42 pm

>33 YouKneeK: That sounds like the 'have to stick Roman stuff in there too.' challenge.

35fuzzi
mrt 2, 2021, 6:01 pm

>22 reading_fox: hear! Hear!

36Karlstar
mrt 2, 2021, 10:22 pm

>26 BookstoogeLT: Rats, there you go, using actual facts from the timeline against my weak arguments.

>33 YouKneeK: I'm glad you enjoyed it.

37BookstoogeLT
mrt 3, 2021, 5:52 am

>36 Karlstar: Don't worry, I only use actual facts when helps me. All other times, I ignore them ;-)

38-pilgrim-
mrt 3, 2021, 7:37 am

>27 Narilka: I have a sale copy of Codex Alera waiting on my Kindle.

39YouKneeK
mrt 3, 2021, 9:54 am

>38 -pilgrim-: The whole series or just the first book? In the US, the first book goes on sale pretty often for Kindle, but I haven’t seen the whole series on sale. I look forward to reading your thoughts if you try it!

By the way, I hope the 460 page count in my review header won’t mislead anybody. It looks like they used the hardcover page #’s to line up with the Kindle edition for its real page numbers. The paperback copy shows it has 688 pages, and that’s more along the lines of what I would expect based on the time it took me to read it. I just keep my life simple by using whatever the page count says for the edition I purchased or borrowed – sometimes I believe that’s being understated, but sometimes I’m pretty sure it’s overstated, so I figure it all evens out. I don’t want to waste time trying to decide what page count to record for maximum accuracy; I have better things to do.

40BookstoogeLT
Bewerkt: mrt 3, 2021, 5:11 pm

>39 YouKneeK: If you care about accuracy, Kobo.com does a pretty good job of listing the page and word count for books. Not as accurate as using the page/word count plugin in Calibre, but good enough ;-)

41Maddz
mrt 3, 2021, 6:38 pm

>40 BookstoogeLT: I'd be wary of relying on that plug-in, because if there's a huge amount of 'also by' along with whole chapter previews then the counts are going to be artificially inflated.

I basically use it as a guide whether to assign a work as a full-length novel or a short form.

42BookstoogeLT
Bewerkt: mrt 3, 2021, 6:56 pm

>41 Maddz: I edit my books for just that exact reason :-D

On that note though, would you NOT count those pages in a paper book? The fluff factor is still a factor even for paper books.

43YouKneeK
mrt 3, 2021, 8:13 pm

>40 BookstoogeLT: Thanks, I’ll remember that if I ever think Amazon’s page count for an e-book has no relation to any edition whatsoever, or if the page count isn't reported. That has occasionally happened and my solution was to look at the editions page on GR and go with whichever page count seemed most typical.

44Maddz
mrt 4, 2021, 2:02 am

>42 BookstoogeLT: I've never bothered with page counts in the past because I don't track my reading stats. The fluff factor seems to have got worse with epublishing; I think people were seeing it as a way to (legitimately) inflate their page count.

I also don't bother editing my books beyond ePubSplit and (occasionally) ePubMerge. I routinely format shift (azw to ePub), and sometimes run an ePub to ePub conversion (Tor.com, I'm looking at your short fiction newsletter).

45BookstoogeLT
mrt 4, 2021, 4:55 am

>43 YouKneeK: Another resource is https://www.readinglength.com/
They take an audio book and use their little algorithm based on the time of the audio to guestimate the page count. But for me, kobo almost always has the book and so has the data.

>44 Maddz: Gotcha. That did remind me of the Star Wars expanded universe. When those came out in ebooks they'd include like 3 chapters of whatever the new book coming out was and so you'd be merrily reading along, glance down and see you're at 90% and then boom, the story ends. That was when I began editing my books :-D
I format shift to azw3 and use the page/word count plugin (and the de-drm one obviously) and then use the editor to just glance through it.

46Maddz
mrt 4, 2021, 6:40 am

>45 BookstoogeLT: Or worse a sample (or chapter) of all the author's previously published works or sample chapters of everything the publisher was publishing next quarter. I recall the latter from print days as well. Sometimes that was more than 10% of the page count!

I've got no objections to forewords, afterwords, glossaries, notes on the world-building, dramatis personae etc, or a couple of pages to avoid blank leaves on a sheet. It's gratuitous puffery I object to.

47fuzzi
mrt 4, 2021, 12:13 pm

>46 Maddz: aha, so is that why I keep seeing full chapters of the author's previous books added to the end of my reads? Not just trying to sell the books? I was wondering why if I'm reading book #2 in a series, why would the publisher push book #1 at the end of the book?

48Maddz
mrt 4, 2021, 12:35 pm

>47 fuzzi: Exactly, I'm guessing it's a form of Kindle Unlimited optimisation to (sort of) legitimately bump up the page count in a completed book...

I don't know if that practice got dropped once Amazon banned the worst KU abusers (you recall, the self-pubbed romance crowd).

49YouKneeK
mrt 5, 2021, 3:54 pm

Audiobook Review: We are Legion (We are Bob) by Dennis E. Taylor



We are Legion is the first book in the Bobiverse, an ongoing science fiction series. This was another one of my series-sampling audio listens, to see if I might want to pursue it in print someday.

Audio Narration
The narrator is Ray Porter. This is another case where I seem to differ from the majority on audio narrators. On Audible, over 80,000 people have rated him with an average of 4.8 out of 5 stars. As I’ve said in other reviews, I’m an excessively picky audio listener. To my ear, he was too melodramatic. There were a lot of dramatic pauses and a lot of words with heavier emphasis placed on them. It was done so frequently that it failed to create any impact. Sometimes it seemed like the narrator had gotten into a pattern of using these techniques so regularly that he forgot to pay attention to whether it actually was relevant for the wording and just threw it in out of habit.

There was also a section maybe an hour into the story where Bob was first learning how to use the voice synthesizer. The narrator was half singing all his lines instead of, say, speaking with a jerky/scratchy voice. That seemed like an odd choice that wasn’t supported by the text, unless I missed something, and it drove me a little nuts. Fortunately it didn’t last too long.

I noticed the melodrama less the longer I listened, so either he toned it down after a while or else I just got used to it. I would have chosen to hear the characters differently though if I’d been reading it on my own, and there was something tiring for me about listening to it. I had that feeling I get when I’m sitting in a meeting with people who tend to be over-loud and over-boisterous, and turning off the audiobook created a similar relief to what I feel when I leave a meeting like that.

Story
Shortly after the story starts, Bob signs a contract to have his head frozen after he dies. He’s told that at some future date when technology has advanced far enough, he’ll be revived to live again in a new body. From there, the story didn’t go quite in the direction I expected. The book blurb gives more specifics, but it spoils a large portion of the first several chapters. I’m glad I hadn’t read it before reading the book because I really enjoyed the beginning parts and would have been bored right off the bat if I already knew what would happen.

I suspect this wasn’t a great story for me to listen to rather than reading it for myself. There were parts I found really dull to listen to, that I think I might have enjoyed more in print. I was very interested in the beginning up until Bob went off into space. After that, things started to feel more tedious. Of the storylines that had significant time spent on them, my favorite was the planet original Bob found, with the sentient Deltans. There wasn’t anything particularly original there, and the aliens’ behavior was too human-like, but the story somehow appealed to me anyway. My least favorite storyline was Riker’s part back at Earth, with all the stupid arguments.

The end doesn’t have any dramatic cliffhangers, but there are a lot of loose plot threads and I didn’t feel like there was any closure at the end of the book. I’m giving it 3.5 stars and rounding down to 3 on Goodreads. It’s a “maybe” for whether or not I’ll read it in print in the future. I do think I would have enjoyed and absorbed some parts of the story better in print. I also think if I’d heard the character voices in my head in a more understated manner, with a subtler dry humor as opposed to an in-your-face “I’m being FUNNY now, you’d better appreciate it!” manner, I would have appreciated the characters and the humor more.

Next Audiobook
Three Parts Dead by Max Gladstone. This narrator, Claudia Alick, has a rating of 3.7 out of 5 on Audible. (Only 501 ratings though.) Considering that some of the narrators that have bugged me have been more highly-rated, I might be in for a new level of torture with this one. If so, I’m hopeful the same tactic will work here – keep listening until I get used to it.

50clamairy
mrt 6, 2021, 2:57 pm

>49 YouKneeK: Sorry you only sort of enjoyed it. This series has been a lot of fun for me, but I am also a picky listener, so I understand completely.

51YouKneeK
mrt 6, 2021, 5:37 pm

>50 clamairy: Thanks, it would be interesting to read the book in print a few years down the road and see if my opinions are different. I'm glad the series has worked better for you! I can see a lot of reasons to enjoy it if I had connected with it better.

While I’m here, I also just have to take a moment to comment on my current audiobook, Three Parts Dead. The narrator reads with a very brisk, peppy tone, more suited for Mary Poppins maybe. The story, from what I’ve listened to so far, features things like necromancy, witchcraft, and murder. This is maybe not the best voice for this book. On the other hand, it does add a new layer of disturbing when the description of a gruesomely murdered body is read in such a gleefully cheerful voice…

52Narilka
mrt 6, 2021, 10:18 pm

>49 YouKneeK: Too bad Ray Porter didn't work for you. Good to find out though for future audio books. It will be interesting to see if you fare better with a print copy.

53YouKneeK
mrt 7, 2021, 7:10 am

>52 Narilka: Yes, if nothing else, I’m learning a lot about which narrators I like and dislike, as well as which types of stories are more likely to work for me in audio.

54YouKneeK
mrt 7, 2021, 8:30 pm

I finished the second square in my “normal” cross-stitch project earlier today, so I wanted to post a picture. This is square 2 of 6. At the top of the picture, you can see the bottom of the first square that I posted a while back. All 6 squares will chain together vertically like that. The design is by Teresa Wentzler, "Floral Bellpull".

I’m really enjoying the second Codex Alera book, but I hardly read it this weekend because I was so close to being done with this square and knew I wouldn’t get another chance to work on it until next weekend, so most of my spare time went to this. Now I’m logging off to try to squeeze in some reading before bed!

55clamairy
mrt 7, 2021, 9:02 pm

That's lovely! Well done...

56Narilka
mrt 7, 2021, 9:25 pm

Pretty!

57YouKneeK
mrt 8, 2021, 6:31 am

58Sakerfalcon
mrt 8, 2021, 7:01 am

>54 YouKneeK: That's lovely!

I hope you enjoy Three parts dead. As you say, the narrator's style sounds like an odd match with the content!

59Storeetllr
mrt 8, 2021, 5:46 pm

>54 YouKneeK: Beautiful!

Narrators of audiobooks can really make or break a book. Some types of narrators I can't abide are the ones who sound like they're speaking through a mouthful of mashed potatoes, and the ones who sound like doddering old coots when the character who is speaking is young. And ones who speak with a nasal tone (Rene Aberjonois' reading of some of the Pendergast thrillers, for example.) (I did manage to finish The Passage, but it was torture.)

60YouKneeK
mrt 8, 2021, 6:46 pm

>58 Sakerfalcon:, >59 Storeetllr: Thanks!

>58 Sakerfalcon: I’m kind of on the fence about it so far, setting aside the narration issues. I think I'm a little over 3 hours in and I like it more now than when I first started, so maybe it will keep growing on me.

>59 Storeetllr: Haha, yes, I would agree with all of those I think, although I haven’t encountered them all for myself yet since I don’t have many audiobooks under my belt. I have so many more annoyances yet to be discovered! It’s good to have things to look forward to. ;)

61YouKneeK
mrt 8, 2021, 9:23 pm

Maddz made a comment on Storeetllr’s thread that reminded me of something I put together back when I first traveled to England in September 2009. I did this shortly after my trip as a way of sharing some photos and stories from my trip with family and friends, and also to help save the memories for myself.

I’ve almost posted this here a couple times in the past, thinking maybe some people here might find it amusing to read what a clueless American thought about her first trip to England, but some of the writing is pretty embarrassing so I said, "Well... maybe later" and then forgot about it for a while. I was youngish (33), it was my first overseas trip as an adult, and I was writing it for people who knew me well, so I was sillier than I might have been if I’d been imagining random (or not so random) people on the internet might read it someday.

Here’s the link.

62Maddz
mrt 9, 2021, 2:17 am

>61 YouKneeK: I've taken worse pictures, so you've nothing to be embarrassed about! I come from Southern England (Poole on the south coast), so it was interesting to see it from another's perspective. I went to university in Bristol (the sea port near Bath), and we'd often make a day trip to Bath.

Stonehenge was a day trip from home, but that area of the country is littered with archaeology. As children, my sister and I would gallop up and down Badbury Rings - a small hillfort near Poole. Salisbury Plain is notoriously cold and windy - I remember going back to university after Christmas and driving across the Plain in a blizzard. Mum and I were planning to collect a family friend from her brother near Malvern, but chickened out because of the weather that day - my Hall was able to let her have the guest room, and she went on next day. I missed out on a lunch.

The Tower of London is something of a jumble - some of it dates back to Roman England (that's where Vespasian comes in! He served in the Claudian Invasion.) There are several castles in England which have Roman sections, apart from the Tower, there's Portchester in Hampshire, and Colchester in Essex (pictures of the latter in my gallery).

63YouKneeK
mrt 9, 2021, 6:48 am

>62 Maddz: I was really impressed with the sights I saw on that trip, especially realizing just how very old so many of the structures were and how much history they had seen. I think it was one of the first times I’d wished I’d paid more attention to history classes in school.

As cold as I was at Stonehenge in September, I can only imagine what it would be like during a blizzard! Especially trying to drive. My budget was tighter back then, and I think one of the reasons I chose to travel in September was for cheaper prices. If I ever go back, I’d probably aim for a warmer month.

About a year after that trip, I moved to Atlanta and took a job that involved quite a lot of business travel. I got lucky enough to land in the department right around the time we were doing some European projects. My very first day on the job involved flying out to France, and I was practically beside myself with excitement. :) Never mind that my furniture and boxes had only just arrived at my new home and I was completely unsettled, that could wait! In May 2011, one of my business trips landed me back in England, around the Lichfield area. I didn’t get to see much since we were busy with work, but I still really enjoyed the experience. The drive from the Manchester airport, where we flew in, was beautiful, although I had some trouble keeping my eyes open since I'd just gotten off yet another overnight flight that I failed to get much sleep on.

64Sakerfalcon
mrt 9, 2021, 6:55 am

>61 YouKneeK: I am loving the details of your trip to England! It is so much fun to see things through someone else's eyes, especially things that we take for granted.

Re: the view of the large gathering of people that you saw from the London Eye and were wondering about - this patch of ground is often used for festivals and I would guess that you saw one of these. It looks like there are food stalls along the edge, and Barclaycard would be a sponsor. (Barclays is one of the big British banks and Barclaycard is its credit card. Fun fact - friends of mine named their bulldog puppy Barclay because they bought him with money they were supposed to be paying into the bank!)
And savoury pancakes make delicious street food!

65YouKneeK
mrt 9, 2021, 7:14 am

>64 Sakerfalcon: Aaah, thank you, you’ve solved a 12-year-old mystery! LOL, I love the idea of naming a puppy Barclay for that reason.

66Maddz
mrt 9, 2021, 7:27 am

>63 YouKneeK: About the last major family trip we did to France was in 1979. I'd just graduated, and my sister was doing the reciprocal exchange visit with a girl in Western France. So we all piled into the car, and decanted my sister at the other family.

Mum and I (my dad was no longer in the picture by then - he was living with his mistress near Grasse) spent the summer doing the Atlantic Coast - we based ourselves at a pension in a seaside village south of La Rochelle, and did the obligatory genealogical research as that was where my grandmother was born. We actually found the house she lived in!

I think we were there for at least 6 weeks touring around, doing many of the chateaux along the Loire Valley. We didn't get as far north as Brittany (my sister took my Mum there one half-term with her kids several years ago), and we didn't go any further south than Bordeaux.

That's one of the advantages of living on the South Coast - ferry connections to France and (at that point) being in the EU. (I recall one of the first votes when I turned 18 was the first EU referendum when the country voted to remain.)

67Sakerfalcon
mrt 9, 2021, 8:04 am

>65 YouKneeK: I've just finished reading about the rest of your trip! What a lot of great things you managed to fit in! Reading it during lockdown is really making me want to get out and explore. I don't need to go abroad, but to be able to (re)visit parts of my own country would be wonderful! Let us know if you are ever back on this side of the Atlantic ... I'm sure that more than a few of us would be up for a GD meet-up!

68fuzzi
mrt 9, 2021, 8:54 am

>61 YouKneeK: I enjoyed your travelogue!

69hfglen
Bewerkt: mrt 9, 2021, 10:52 am

>61 YouKneeK: Fun memories from your travelogue. I made a few notes, to comment if I may on everything at once.

Better Half and I spent a weekend in Bath in 1981. Back then one of the parts of the Royal Crescent was run as a hotel, which had, a few weeks previously, won a prize as the best hotel in England. It was very good, and very comfortable, but priced accordingly.

Did you not get to see Lacock Abbey? It's where William Henry Fox Talbot invented one of the first practical forms of photography. (For years one of the prize exhibits in the Bensusan Museum of Photography in Johannesburg was one of Fox Talbot's first half-dozen paper negatives. When we went there I tried to re-take Fox Talbot's pictures as b/w slides. Which necessitated processing them myself -- no digital photography back then! -- which must have delayed the revival of life in the Thames significantly.)

Are your cows perhaps Ankole cattle, originally from Uganda?

ETA link to page (with picture) about Ankole cattle.

70-pilgrim-
mrt 9, 2021, 10:26 am

>61 YouKneeK: I looked at that photo of your hotel room and thought "Wow, that 's the largest London hotel room I have ever seen!"

Then I read what you wrote about it.

:-D

71Storeetllr
mrt 9, 2021, 6:08 pm

>61 YouKneeK: That was the most enjoyable travelogue I've ever read! Thank you for sharing. One of my favorite pics is the first. I love Neverwhere, and seeing that sign made me hear Gaiman's voice in my head: "Mind. The. Gap." I agree with Sakerfalcon - reading your adventures makes me want to get out and see stuff too. (I wish I could get to England, or maybe Italy or Greece or Egypt - all places I have read about and dreamed about someday seeing. Well, except I did get to see Italy, and it was wondrous.) I wonder if you'd mind if I tried to paint the giraffe's head? That is such a fun image!

72YouKneeK
mrt 9, 2021, 7:11 pm

>66 Maddz: That sounds like great fun! One thing I am truly envious of is the way it seems so much more common in the UK and other parts of the world for people to take multi-week vacations and travel around. Not to mention there are so many different cool countries to visit all within a comparatively short distance. It’s difficult in my experience to get more than a week off work at a time. In my current department I could probably manage to get two weeks once in a while. I work with a lot of Indian employees who need to occasionally take two weeks to visit India because of how long it takes just to get there and back. Because of that, the idea of somebody being out for two whole weeks isn’t quite as incomprehensible to our managers. :) But 6 weeks?! I can't imagine!

>67 Sakerfalcon: I had a similar reaction looking back over it– it made me want to travel. :) I would love to make it back to the UK and explore the many, many things I missed. I was really burnt out on travel for a while as I was doing a lot of it for work for a few years, not so much to fun places like Europe, but to lots of boring places, week after week, here in the US. My travel has been lighter the last few years, and of course there wasn’t any in 2020, so travel is starting to sound fun again.

>68 fuzzi: Thanks!

>69 hfglen: Oh, staying at the Royal Crescent would have been fun! Haha, no, I missed Lacock Abbey. But you have to miss some things so you have an excuse to go back, right? ;) Aaah, and I think you solved the mystery of the “English” cows on the safari, thank you! If the tour guide told us anything about them, I must have missed it, because I never had any idea why there were cows there or if they were even supposed to be part of the safari. They do look very much like the Ankole cattle from your link.

>70 -pilgrim-: LOL! :) It really wasn’t too tiny, just smaller than what I was used to. I was always exhausted by the time I made it back to the room anyway, so all I really needed was a bed. I would definitely stay there again for the bed. It was so awesome, the exact perfect level of firmness whereas U.S. hotel beds usually feel too soft to me.

>71 Storeetllr: Thank you so much! :) I would love to see you do a painting of the giraffe’s head! None of my family or friends appreciated the Neverwhere reference, so I’m glad that at least here there are people who will understand it. I bet seeing Italy was great. I’ve never had the chance to go there but I would love to. There are so many countries, including the ones you’ve mentioned, that I would love to visit someday.

73quondame
mrt 9, 2021, 10:29 pm

>64 Sakerfalcon: I had an account at the US Barclays and would use their traveler's checks and card when I traveled, but I think that was closed down, and I don't have any more travel plans.

74Maddz
mrt 10, 2021, 3:09 am

>72 YouKneeK: 1 week is the usual holiday length in the UK - there's a traditional holiday period in the summer called Wakes Week (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakes_week). Originally religious, it became a secular holiday when many industries literally closed shop to allow their workers a break.

My Mum always used to say that a 2 week holiday was best - you needed to spend a week to relax, then you could spend a week sight-seeing. I myself prefer a 2 week holiday, but Paul is accustomed to 1 week holidays. When we went to Greece a couple of years ago, we compromised on 10 days.

That summer was exceptional though - I had just graduated and was yet to start a job, and my sister was invited to spend les vacances with the exchange family. Of course, the French have the habit of closing up shop for the entire month of August which is why we spent so long away. (Never, ever go to Paris in August...)

75hfglen
mrt 10, 2021, 5:09 am

>71 Storeetllr: >72 YouKneeK: You may be interested to know that those were female giraffes (the way they just stood there, and that they have hair at the tips of their horns.

76Sakerfalcon
Bewerkt: mrt 11, 2021, 8:58 am

>71 Storeetllr:, >72 YouKneeK: This is the true story of why one London Underground platform has a different Mind the Gap announcement to all the others. It may bring a tear to your eye as you read.

77-pilgrim-
mrt 10, 2021, 6:28 am

>76 Sakerfalcon: Your link simply takes me to the top of this thread...

78YouKneeK
mrt 10, 2021, 6:42 am

>74 Maddz: Ah, ok, I’d had the impression that longer holidays were common in the UK. I agree with you and your mum about two weeks being better, although I think I would flip it – a week sight-seeing and then a week relaxing. Or a week and a half sight-seeing and half a week relaxing. I’d prefer to do the relaxing at the end because I usually have plenty of energy at the start but it can be a little difficult to spend a week constantly on the go, trying to see as much as I can fit in, and then have to go straight back to work when I'm still a bit worn out.

>75 hfglen: That is interesting, thank you. Although if just standing there is indicative of being a female giraffe, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a male giraffe. Not that I’ve seen a lot of giraffes to begin with, and I can’t remember what their horns looked like.

79hfglen
Bewerkt: mrt 10, 2021, 8:32 am

>78 YouKneeK: The males have bony tips to their horns, and if there are two that close they may (typical males) start a fight, in which they use their necks and heads as heavy maces to beat each other up.

ETA: I have put a real and a "pseudo" Fox Talbot image of Lacock Abbey in my thread, for your enjoyment.

80Storeetllr
mrt 10, 2021, 2:35 pm

>72 YouKneeK: Thank you! If I do use your girl giraffe picture as inspiration for one of my watercolors or painted rocks, I'll post a picture on your thread.

Italy was amazing! So much antiquities, art, fabulous architecture! I was there in April and May 2003 for a month (which, frankly, was about a week too long as I was emotionally, mentally AND physically exhausted by the time I returned). I traveled from Milan south to Paestum and back again via Casteggio (where I stayed a couple of days with a friend), Florence with a day trip to Pisa, Rome, Naples, Sorrento, the Amalfi Coast (where I visited Pompeii and Herculaneum), then back to Rome for a few more days, then Florence again for a day on my way to Siena where I rented a car and took day trips to Montapulciano, Orvieto, Assisi, and Pienza, then to Venice and Lido de Jasalo where I spent a couple of days on the beach decompressing (eating gelato, drinking wine, and crying - not from sadness but just because it had all been so overwhelming), and then back to Milan for my trip home. I'd love to go back, but it probably won't happen, so I look at pictures and remember.

81YouKneeK
mrt 10, 2021, 7:35 pm

>79 hfglen: Ok, I had to Google giraffes fighting because I’ve only ever seen calm giraffes. That's pretty impressive! Here’s a link to the video I found if anybody else wants to see. I'm not too sure if this video has a happy ending, it looked like a giraffe might have been really hurt at the end, I couldn't tell. Up until that point, it looked kind of silly and I was laughing at it. Especially at first when I couldn't even tell they were mad at each other and then suddenly they started swinging.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQLPL1qRhn8

>80 Storeetllr: That sounds great and wow, an entire month! I think that probably would have been too long for me too, but it also would be so nice to have time to really see things more leisurely and in more detail. And you managed to go to SO many places! It’s nice to at least have the pictures to remember it by.

82Karlstar
mrt 10, 2021, 10:16 pm

>61 YouKneeK: That was a great writeup, you got some great pictures.

>80 Storeetllr: My daughter and I did a very busy 10 day school trip to Italy, that's about as long as I could possibly stand to be away, but it was worth it, every day. We went in April and the weather was terrible, but it was still a fantastic trip. We recently watched the discover+ show Bobby and Giada in Italy and it was great to see some of the same areas.

83YouKneeK
mrt 11, 2021, 6:20 am

84Sakerfalcon
mrt 11, 2021, 8:59 am

>77 -pilgrim-: Oops! Typo. Thanks for spotting it. The link should work now.

85fuzzi
mrt 11, 2021, 9:10 am

>81 YouKneeK: I think the giraffe overswung his neck and lost his balance at the end. I don't think he was badly hurt.

86YouKneeK
mrt 11, 2021, 6:12 pm

>84 Sakerfalcon: That’s a great story, and very sad too, thank you for sharing it!

>85 fuzzi: I hope not! It didn’t look like the other giraffe hit him before he fell, but I was worried he got hurt by the fall itself, especially since they cut off the video instead of showing him getting back up. Maybe they were just trying to be dramatic.

87Storeetllr
Bewerkt: mrt 12, 2021, 3:46 pm

>84 Sakerfalcon: That's a sweet story. I understand how the woman felt: I still have some voicemail messages left by my mother-in-law and my daughter's mother-in law, both of whom have passed. I don't listen to them often, but once in a great while... I only wish the article had published a recording of the voice.

>81 YouKneeK: I'll try to dig up some of those pics and post them, but I'm afraid a day-by-day isn't going to happen. Yes, I did keep track, sort of, but I never put it all together when I returned from the trip. I had to go back to work the very next next day, and I just never got around to it when it was all fresh in my memory.

>82 Karlstar: I was in Italy mid-April thru mid-May, and went from north to south and back again, so I had a LOT of different weather, from cold and rainy to hot, sunny and steamy. It's hard for me to watch films about Italy because I seem to end up sobbing out of longing to go back. It's been a few years since I tried to watch anything like that, tho (Under the Tuscan Sun was the last, I think), and in that time I've come to understand I'll likely never get back, so it might not be so painful now.

88-pilgrim-
mrt 12, 2021, 5:08 pm

>87 Storeetllr: One of the things that hurt most when my husband left me was his taking the answering machine with the recordings of my late mother's voice.

89Storeetllr
mrt 12, 2021, 5:22 pm

>88 -pilgrim-: Oh, that's terrible! I'm so sorry that happened.

90fuzzi
mrt 12, 2021, 6:29 pm

>87 Storeetllr: there was a news story linked in that article in which they interviewed the widow, and played her late husband's "Mind the gap" recording.

Here it is: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-21719848

91YouKneeK
mrt 12, 2021, 7:03 pm

>87 Storeetllr: That’s understandable. If I hadn’t done the day-by-day write up so shortly after the trip, I never would have remembered as many details. By the same token, having that travelogue has helped me remember the trip much more vividly than I think I would have otherwise.

>88 -pilgrim-: Oh no, that would have been a difficult loss.

>90 fuzzi: Ah, thanks for that, I was curious to hear it too!

92Storeetllr
mrt 12, 2021, 9:19 pm

>90 fuzzi: Thanks! I looked but apparently missed it.

>91 YouKneeK: Yes. I am annoyed with myself for not having done it, but 18 years later, not much I can do about it. I did find some photos tho and will post them on my thread. They certainly brought back memories.

93YouKneeK
mrt 13, 2021, 8:38 am

Review: Academ’s Fury by Jim Butcher



Academ’s Fury is the second book in Jim Butcher’s Codex Alera series. Although I enjoyed the first book, I enjoyed this one significantly more. The only reason it took me so long to read was due to time constraints. Whenever I picked it up, I never wanted to put it back down. There’s a lot of action in this book. For me it was the exciting, edge-of-my-seat sort and not the boring, repetitive kind.

After having a rough start with Tavi in the first book, I’m a big fan of him now. I did sometimes get exasperated when a new chapter switched away from Tavi’s POV in the middle of some tense action, because his storyline was the one I was the most interested in. It didn’t take me long to get back into the POV that the new chapter had switched to, though.

I don’t have too many more comments, but the ones I have will need to go in spoiler tags:
The Vord were a great enemy. They aren’t terribly unique maybe; they reminded me of a fantasy version of the Borg. The Borg always worked for me as a creepy enemy though, and the Vord did the same. I also liked it because it ensured this book wasn’t just more of the same from the first book. While it followed and expanded on many of the same plot threads, it also told a different sort of story in a different way and I really enjoyed it. It looks like we haven’t seen the last of them.

I was worried that I was in for a ton of romantic angst between Amara and Bernard. There was more than I wanted, but fortunately not too much time was spent on it.

From the title, Academ’s Fury, I kind of thought Tavi might find and develop fury crafting in this book. He was, after all, obviously the Academ from the title, but I guess the “Fury” part wasn’t that literal. So I’ve revised my interpretation of the titles and am guessing they all refer to Tavi’s position throughout the series. So by the end of it he’ll be, not very surprisingly, the… well, either you know the title to the last book or you don’t, in which case you might not want it spoiled. Assuming I’m even correct, but I’m feeling pretty confident!


Next Book
Cursor’s Fury, the third book in this series. I also wanted to note that I’ve made very little progress on my audiobook, Three Parts Dead. This week was busy at work, and I didn’t find much time for either cross-stitching (which is when I listen to audiobooks) or reading. I hope to make some further progress this weekend, although I’ll have to work for at least a small part of it and I need to catch up on some of the personal responsibilities I couldn’t fit in over the week.

94-pilgrim-
mrt 13, 2021, 12:06 pm

>89 Storeetllr: & >91 YouKneeK: Than you both. Yes, some things can never be replaced.

95BookstoogeLT
mrt 13, 2021, 12:15 pm

>93 YouKneeK: Yep, you pretty much nailed the title naming convention :-)
Glad to see this was so enjoyable for you. I hope the rest of the series can stay as strong for you. I loved the series (as evidenced by my 3 read throughs of the series :-) ) and it is what saved Butcher from being dismissed as "oh, that Dresden guy"....

96Karlstar
mrt 13, 2021, 12:25 pm

>93 YouKneeK: Glad you liked it, though I'm surprised at the 5 star rating. I liked it, just not quite that much, that would put it in Tolkien territory for me.

I'd completely missed the Borg analogy, that's a good one. I think I thought of the Formians from Ender's Game.

97YouKneeK
mrt 13, 2021, 8:01 pm

>95 BookstoogeLT: Thanks, I hope so too! It’s working really well for me so far, although I’m admittedly much more easily pleased with epic fantasy than with other subgenres. I’m getting more curious about his Dresden Files books now, but keeping my expectations low since I’m not a big urban fantasy fan.

>96 Karlstar: My 5-star ratings are almost completely subjective, based on how much I enjoyed a book at the time I was reading it. I don’t save them for the best of the best, just for the books where the story thoroughly grabbed my attention while I was reading it and made me care about the characters without having any significant annoyances. As it is, there aren't all that many books I give that rating to anyway. I'm more likely to give 4.5 stars to a book I really liked due to some occasional slowness and/or niggling annoyances, but Academ's Fury didn't have any of that for me.

Besides, I’m a bad fantasy fan because I gave The Lord of the Rings a mere 3 stars. It had things I liked, but I read it later in life, after I’d already seen the movies at least twice and read several more modern fantasy series, and it just wasn’t what I’d been hoping for.

98YouKneeK
mrt 20, 2021, 3:54 pm

Audiobook Review: Three Parts Dead by Max Gladstone



Three Parts Dead is the first book in the Craft Sequence series. This was another one of my series-sampling audio listens, to see if I might want to pursue it in print someday. Unlike some of my previous listens that had resulted in a waffling “maybe”, this one is a firm “NO”.

Audio Narration
The narrator was Claudia Alick and she really didn’t work for me. For the first few hours, it wasn’t horrible exactly, it just seemed like the wrong tone for the story. My first impression was that the narrator would be better suited to “Mary Poppins” because she read with such a brisk, cheerful tone. This is a story about witchcraft, necromancy, and dead gods. There’s something very discordant about hearing those topics read about with such gleeful cheerfulness. Maybe that was the intent – to give an extra weird vibe to a weird story. If so, then I guess it succeeded?

As the audiobook went on and more characters became more heavily involved in the story, the narrator didn’t seem to voice them consistently. Sometimes I had trouble keeping track of who was speaking, even when there was only back-and-forth dialogue between two characters. Sometimes I would think a different character had shown up because she seemed to be voicing somebody else instead. Abelard’s voice in particular seemed to crop up everywhere even when he wasn’t speaking. Even the non-dialogue parts were off sometimes. There were a few spots where it felt like every other sentence was read with one tone, and the alternate sentences were read with a slightly different tone. It would switch back and forth in rapid succession until I felt like I was trapped in a bad dream sequence on a TV show.

Story
The story starts with Tara getting thrown out of school. Literally. She's tossed out the window of a school floating around in the sky where people are taught “craft”, manages to survive the fall thanks to her skill with the aforementioned craft, causes some mayhem at home using that craft, then gets hired to investigate the death of a god which is what becomes the main plot.

I feel like I should have liked this better than I did. I’ve never read anything quite like it. The world is unique and the story sounds on the surface like something I might find interesting. I’m sure the narration contributed to my issues, but I don’t think I would have enjoyed it much more in print. The story didn’t hold my interest and I didn’t care much about the characters.

The magic was one of those poorly-defined “systems” that does whatever is convenient at the time it’s needed to take the plot in a certain direction, and there were a lot of coincidental happenings that the reader seemed to be expected to believe were clever machinations by characters who never could have actually manipulated the combination of circumstances to occur the way they did. Sure, they didn’t plan events to go exactly they way they did, but they knew x would lead to some sort of y and a would lead to some sort of b, and c would lead to some sort of d, and then the combination of the unpredictable results of y, b, and d would somehow manage to bring about the desired outcome. I couldn’t buy into it. Probably another issue I had was that a lot of events are more metaphorical than anything and I like things to be more concrete. I guess it just comes down to a writing style that didn’t work for me.

I’m rating this at 2.5 stars and rounding down to 2 on Goodreads. I don’t plan to revisit the series in the future. It wasn’t all bad, and there were times when I was interested in the story. I suspect if not for the audio narration I might have chosen to round up to 3 instead, but I’m still confident I wouldn’t have enjoyed it enough to continue the series.

Next Audiobook
Foreigner by C. J. Cherryh. I’ve seen Cherryh referred to often, but I’ve never read anything by her before. I’ve wanted to try this series for a while but it’s enormous and ongoing, so it hasn’t been a high priority. This makes it a good candidate for me to sample via audio.

99Narilka
mrt 20, 2021, 4:26 pm

>98 YouKneeK: Thanks for the review. That one is available in the Audible Plus catalog for members. I think I'd have problems with that kind of narrator for a story like that so I can give it a pass in that medium.

I'm interested in your thoughts on Foreigner. It's been in my TBR forever. Maybe your next review will be what I need to finally read the darn thing :)

100reading_fox
mrt 20, 2021, 4:52 pm

>98 YouKneeK: there's a GD thread discussing Foreigner. I've no idea how it will work as an audiobook, or even if the rest of the series is available. Enjoy! It does take a little while to get going.

101YouKneeK
mrt 20, 2021, 5:09 pm

>99 Narilka: Three Parts Dead being free on Audible Plus was actually one of the reasons I picked it. I haven’t been a member of Audible very long and I didn’t know how often the Audible Plus selections change, if ever, so I figured I should listen while it was free since it was already on my list. Here’s hoping I enjoy Foreigner enough that I praise it enough to make you want to read it too. ;)

>100 reading_fox: Thanks, I’ve made myself a note to seek out the thread once I finish listening to the book. I’m not likely to listen to more than the first book as an audiobook. Not even if I wholeheartedly love it and there are more books available in audio. If I like this first one, I’ll plan to revisit it in print someday, probably re-reading the first book as well as the subsequent books since I get more out of books in print than in audio. The audiobook listening is just a series sampling method that allows me to make better use of my cross-stitching time. I get to knock some books off my list and also decide whether each series is worth devoting some of my precious reading time toward in the future.

102Maddz
mrt 20, 2021, 7:24 pm

>98 YouKneeK: I wouldn't rate the Foreigner series as high as the Chanur series. In my opinion, her earlier works were more accessible than later works - her writing style went all stream of consciousness and mildly experimental although she pulled back a bit by Foreigner.

The good thing about Chanur is that it's only 5 books! And is complete...

103Narilka
mrt 20, 2021, 7:32 pm

>101 YouKneeK: I know the Audible Plus catalog changes. I'm not sure of the frequency. It's probably a good idea to grab something when it's available just in case.

104YouKneeK
mrt 20, 2021, 7:56 pm

>102 Maddz: Thanks, I’ll keep that one in mind if I decide to try reading her in print. A shorter series that’s complete would definitely be more likely to make it on my reading scheduler sooner.

>103 Narilka: That’s very helpful to know, thank you!

I’ve listened to the first half hour of Foreigner. I didn't listen to more because I'd already crammed the final 2.5 hours of Three Parts Dead into my ears today to get it over with. I'd reached my audio capacity for the day, but I was curious to see what I was in for with the next one. It’s way too soon to make any judgments, but so far my opinion is that the story is interesting and I look forward to seeing where it goes, and that the audio narrator is a glorious relief from the last one. :) He has a nice, quiet, unobtrusive style that allows me to almost ignore the fact that I’m being read to and just focus on the words. There hasn’t been much dialogue yet, so I’ll have to see how that goes, but in general I think this will be much more pleasant to listen to.

105Karlstar
mrt 21, 2021, 10:00 am

>98 YouKneeK: How is it possible you've never read any C. J. Cherryh!?? I think you'll enjoy Foreigner, but I agree with >102 Maddz:, for me my favorite has always been the Chanur series. It is a little easier to get into.

106YouKneeK
mrt 21, 2021, 12:00 pm

>105 Karlstar: There are many well-known SF&F authors that I haven’t tried yet, but I’m working hard to whittle down that list! ;)

107YouKneeK
mrt 21, 2021, 2:40 pm

Review: Cursor’s Fury by Jim Butcher



Cursor’s Fury is the third book in the six-book Codex Alera series. I thought this book was nearly as good as the previous one. The enemy wasn’t as exciting to me, but the characters and the story and all the action still held my interest well.

I really don’t have much to say that I haven’t said already about the previous books, but I do have one other comment that belongs behind spoiler tags:

As much as I’m enjoying the series, one thing it really doesn’t have going for it is a lot of surprises. The various “revelations” are telegraphed well in advance so that the reader is probably already going to know or at least suspect them by the time they’re revealed. Until the end of this book, the only other real time I remember being surprised was at the beginning of the first book when Fidelias turned out to be a traitor.

So maybe it isn’t surprising that my second big surprise, near the end of this third book, was also related to Fidelias. I never even considered that Marcus might be somebody else in disguise, much less Fidelias, even though there were a few hints that something might be up with Marcus and there had been indications in the previous book that Fidelias was having second thoughts about his choices. There was even a fairly blatant hint shortly before the revelation when Amara was wondering where Fidelias had been, but I didn't make the connection. I did catch the moment when he recognized Tavi for who he was, but didn't read any more into it. I must be slipping!


Next Book
Captain’s Fury, the fourth book in this series. I had originally scheduled a standalone book as a break now that I’m halfway through the series, but I don’t want a break and nobody can make me take one. :p So I’ve dumped my next planned standalone down to the end of my list and I’ll hopefully get to it eventually. I could shift all my planned standalones down by one position instead, but that would mess up my plan to read science fiction standalones while I’m reading a fantasy series and vice versa.

108fuzzi
mrt 21, 2021, 3:16 pm

>105 Karlstar: "Chanur! Chanur! Chanur!"

😁

109YouKneeK
mrt 21, 2021, 8:07 pm

>108 fuzzi: I can tell that nobody in this group much cares for the Chanur series. ;)

110YouKneeK
mrt 21, 2021, 8:10 pm

I only listened to another hour of Foreigner, so I’m about 90 minutes in now, but I’m still finding it interesting and haven't had any trouble getting into it, unless it slows down later.

I would kill for (well, maybe not kill for, but possibly do minor damage for) some name flash cards to show up in the Audible app when a character's name is mentioned though, so I can actually see and grasp the names better. Maybe I'm backwards, but I'd rather see a name written and have no idea how to properly pronounce it than hear a name spoken and have no idea how to properly spell it or even be entirely clear on what name was spoken. I spent the entire Three Parts Dead audiobook thinking a character's name was Avelard, only to discover it was Abelard when I was writing my review and looked it up to double-check the spelling.

111BookstoogeLT
mrt 21, 2021, 8:12 pm

>107 YouKneeK: Yes! Glad to see another high mark for this series. I totally agree with you that the "surprises" are totally telegraphed. Honestly, I actually enjoyed that because I wanted something easy and familiar and literary'illy digestible.

And good for you for breaking your own rules. If you can't break your own, who else will? :-D

112YouKneeK
mrt 21, 2021, 8:17 pm

>111 BookstoogeLT: In general I prefer surprises, as long as they make sense after they’re revealed like the one in my spoiler tag, but sometimes it’s nice to have that satisfaction of feeling like you’re on top of things. Throughout the reading of the first 3 books, I might possibly have shouted (or moderately raised my voice to exclaim) “I knew it!” a time or two.

113ScoLgo
mrt 21, 2021, 11:52 pm

>110 YouKneeK: By coincidence, I'm reading the Foreigner series this year, (currently on book 7, Explorer). At the very back of the hardcover print editions, the first two volumes include a Pronunciation Guide and a separate Glossary. Here is an excerpt:
A=ah after most sounds; =ay after j, e=eh or ay; i varies between ee(hh) (nearly a hiss) if final and ee if not; o=oh and u=oo. Choose what sounds best.

-J is a sound between ch and zh; -ch=tch as in itch; -t should be almost indistinguishable from -d and vice versa. G as in go. -H after a consonant is a palatal (tongue on roof of mouth). as; paidhi=pait'-(h)ee.

The symbol ' indicates a stop. a'e is thus two separate syllables, ah-ay; but ai is not; ai=English long i; ei=ay.

The word accent falls on the second syllable from the last if the vowel in the syllable is long or is followed by two consonants; third from end if otherwise. Ba'nichi (ch is a single letter in atevi script and does not count as two consonants); Tabi'ni (long by nature)--all words ending in -ini are -i'ni; Brominan'di (-nd=two consonants); mechei'ti because two vowels sounded as one vowel) count as a long vowel.


There's more but I don't feel like typing it all out, (sorry). I find the hanging right parenthesis after mechei'ti confusing but that's how it is in the book. Typos in a pronunciation guide...? tsk, tsk... ;)

Anyway, I hope your narrator is following these guidelines. Let me know if there are any specific pronunciations that you have questions about and I'll be happy to check the guide for you.

Incidentally, when I first met the Jago character, my natural inclination was to sound her name out as "jah-go". Reading the pronunciation guide helped me to use the intended "czhay-go" instead.

Hope this helps.

114YouKneeK
mrt 22, 2021, 7:04 am

>113 ScoLgo: Thank you very much for taking the time to share all that! I’ll have to see if I can reverse engineer what I’m hearing.

I’m not good at distinguishing what I’m hearing in the first place if it’s a completely unfamiliar word/name. If I can see it in print before/while hearing it, then I can anchor that with the spelling and retain it better, even if the pronunciation is different than I would have expected based on the spelling. If I only see it in print and don’t hear it, then I can still at least retain it even if my pronunciation is completely wrong because there are tangible letters I can remember. If I only hear it, I’m too unsure what I heard to even try to repeat it immediately after hearing it, and I can’t remember it. Oddly, even with completely familiar names, I’m far more likely to remember somebody’s name after I meet them if I’ve seen it in print (like on a meeting invite or a business card) and didn’t only hear it.

After hearing the names enough times in the audiobook I’m sure they’ll eventually stick with me in some manner, it will just take longer. The next time I listen to the audiobook, I might try looking at the list of characters in Common Knowledge here on LT while I listen and see if I can find matches. Right now when I look at that list of names, I couldn’t even say if I’ve met any of those characters yet.

115fuzzi
mrt 22, 2021, 8:41 am

>109 YouKneeK: obviously. ;)

I've loved CJ Cherryh's books for a looong time, and am excited when I find people who also enjoy them. Aside from the Foreigner series I've read almost all of her works. I fell behind in the Foreigner series about book 4 (real life intervened), but have purchased the upcoming installments as part of a plan to finally CATCH UP!

116YouKneeK
mrt 22, 2021, 7:39 pm

>114 YouKneeK: Well, at least now I know why the character names I was seeing in Common Knowledge looked completely unfamiliar. They didn’t show up until book 3 and I hadn’t gotten there yet. :) I thought I was just that bad at remembering names.

117reading_fox
mrt 24, 2021, 6:32 am

>107 YouKneeK: I think fidelious was one of my biggest disappointments - in the first book he's this really interesting grey-line walking characters, doing the best for the empire and making hard choices at an individual level to do so, always a fascinating theme. And then he just becomes another generic bad guy out for himself. Such a waste.

118YouKneeK
mrt 24, 2021, 7:20 am

>117 reading_fox: I can’t reconcile what you’ve said with the books I’ve read so far. Was that a reference to what happens later on in the series rather than only up through book 3? My assumption was that your spoiler tag would be related to the book in the post you’re replying to. I’m very interested in your thoughts, but I really don’t want to be spoiled.

Spoiler for beginnings of book 4: I’m finding Fidelias to be a more interesting character in this book, trying to balance his new goal of supporting Tavi while being pulled in the opposite direction due to his self-created ties with Lady Aquitaine and her conspirators. Unless you’re telling me he goes darkside yet again, which would be pretty frustrating, I don’t see how he meets your description of a “generic bad guy out for himself” right now. If anything, I thought that description fit him better in the first book. His POV in the first book was the least interesting part of that book to me because, regardless of his stated goals, he was doing generic bad guy stuff.

I think his actions in the third book and what I've read so far of the fourth book in fact prove that he really was trying to do what he believed was best for the empire and is willing to change course when he learns there's a better option. He would have been more generic to me if he'd stayed locked into the course of action he'd set for himself and didn't consider other possibilities. I also wouldn't have been impressed if he'd remained bad up to the end then had your typical "redeeming moment" at the very end of the series, which was what I thought was going to happen when he started having second thoughts about his choices in book 2.

119YouKneeK
apr 1, 2021, 7:01 am

My quarter end stats are below. The “pages read” actually includes audiobooks I’ve listened to. Up until this year, audiobooks were a miniscule and mostly non-existent part of my reading consumption, so my stats aren’t set up to break them out. I haven’t really decided how I want to handle that yet. I kind of prefer the simplicity of just thinking of it all in pages. For those who care about the distinction more than I do, about 25% of my reading was audio. It was the equivalent of 2,052 pages and 72 hours of listening.

I’ve been happy with the audio experiment. I can’t say it hasn’t occasionally been torturous, but I’ve learned that I can for the most part get past my difficulties with a narrator if I stick it out long enough. Eventually the annoyances become less glaring. I still get frustrated by not being able to see the words and refer back to them as needed, but I'm getting used to it. It helps that I'm going into these audio reads with the attitude that, if I really like them, someday I'll read them again in print and follow that up with the rest of the series. I’ve been happy with the chance to sample various series that I otherwise wouldn’t have gotten to for years. I also like being able to kill two birds with one stone – the cross-stitch bird and the book bird, that is. I don’t consider either activity to be that productive in the long-term, grand scheme of things, but doing both of them at once somehow makes me feel a little more productive. I expect I’ll continue doing things this way for quite some time.

Both my print reading and my audio listening have been slower the last couple weeks, mostly because work has been busy and I’ve had less time. I’m getting pretty close to the end of my print book and have about 6.5 hours left on my audiobook. I’m enjoying both of them a lot, when I have time for them!

In other non-book news, I had my first vaccine shot (Moderna) Tuesday morning. My U.S. state (Georgia) opened vaccinations up to all adults last Thursday, prior to which I hadn’t been eligible. It took a couple days to find an appointment, but it wasn’t as difficult as I thought it would be. It just took a little persistence. The first shot was pretty non-eventful. There was definitely soreness in my arm if I moved it around much or tried to lift anything, and I was very tired and a little achy by that same evening. I went to bed early and those symptoms were mostly gone the next morning, just a little bit of remaining soreness in my arm. I did wake up with a slight headache. I managed to ignore it for a few hours, but it grew worse and I was trying to work so I took a pain reliever. I don’t get headaches that often normally, and it’s one of the common side effects, so I expect mine was from the shot and not something else. I’ve felt perfectly fine ever since the pain reliever kicked in, and the headache didn't come back this morning. I guess I can expect the second shot next month to be a little more dramatic, but I look forward to having it done.









120fuzzi
apr 1, 2021, 8:30 am

>119 YouKneeK:
I
AM
IN
AWE.

Love your graphs.

121Karlstar
apr 1, 2021, 2:34 pm

Congrats on getting your first shot!

122YouKneeK
apr 1, 2021, 5:05 pm

>120 fuzzi: Haha, thanks! :)

>121 Karlstar: Thanks!

123BookstoogeLT
apr 1, 2021, 6:20 pm

>119 YouKneeK: Here's to hoping you don't grow a third eye or something from the vaxx :-D

124YouKneeK
apr 1, 2021, 7:33 pm

>123 BookstoogeLT: Depends on how well it can see. It might be useful! ;)

125clamairy
Bewerkt: apr 1, 2021, 10:18 pm

Love the graphs, as always!

Congrats on the shot. I got the Moderna as well, and will be glad when I've gotten the second one. Though I expect to feel like crap afterwards. It's still so much better than the alternative.

>124 YouKneeK: & >125 clamairy: That could come in very handy!

126YouKneeK
apr 2, 2021, 5:50 am

>125 clamairy: Thanks, and congrats on being half way through the process yourself!

127YouKneeK
apr 2, 2021, 6:26 am

Review: Captain’s Fury by Jim Butcher



Captain’s Fury is the fourth out of six books in the Codex Alera series. This may be one of my shortest reviews ever because I don’t have anything new to say about it that I haven’t already said about the previous books, but I continue to really enjoy this series.

As I’ve said in other reviews, the progression of the main character and the story in general is somewhat predictable and not particularly twisty. However, I also really, really like the main character, as well as many of the secondary characters, I like the direction the story is going in, and I think it’s written well. It has a lot of the elements I tend to enjoy most in epic fantasy.

Next Book
Princep’s Fury, the 5th book in this series.

128Karlstar
apr 2, 2021, 10:55 am

>125 clamairy: I've heard that some people react more to the first shot, some more to the 2nd shot. I've also heard that females have more of a reaction, but I'm not sure any of those observations are actually scientific.

129Maddz
apr 2, 2021, 12:33 pm

Both of us had Oxford/Astra-Zeneca, and we both had a bit of a reaction. I felt achy and fluey for most of the week, just wanted to sleep all the time (although I kept working). Paul had his shot Tuesday, and spent Wednesday sleeping. He seems OK now.

130YouKneeK
apr 2, 2021, 5:00 pm

>129 Maddz: Is that a single-dose vaccine? What little I’ve heard about that one over here has been heavily focused on its fluctuating approval status in various countries and I can’t remember if they mentioned the dosing schedule.

131clamairy
apr 2, 2021, 5:05 pm

>128 Karlstar: Yes, I heard about the gender difference in reactions as well and they were chalking it up at least partially to the fact that everyone gets the same size dose.

>129 Maddz: Sorry you felt like crap for so long. :o/

132tardis
apr 2, 2021, 5:07 pm

>130 YouKneeK: AZ is a two dose vaccine. I got my first shot of it a couple of weeks ago. I had almost no reaction, but I've heard that some people get a stronger reaction to the second shot. I guess I'll find out when I get shot #2, which won't be for a few months.

133YouKneeK
apr 2, 2021, 5:12 pm

>132 tardis: Ah, ok, thanks. I hope your second shot proves not to be too bad!

134BookstoogeLT
apr 2, 2021, 5:17 pm

>127 YouKneeK: Excellent! When you just don't have much to say in a review, and it's 4 1/2 star, well, that is just good. I know that feeling exactly :-D

and thanks for the thumbs up :-)

135YouKneeK
apr 2, 2021, 5:29 pm

>134 BookstoogeLT: I could have sworn there were things I’d thought I wanted to talk about in my review while I was still reading, but I neglected to make notes or highlight anything in my Kindle, and I couldn’t think of anything this morning. At least I was able to write it up quickly! And the fact that I didn't bother to even highlight anything is probably a sign of how much I was enjoying it. :)

136-pilgrim-
apr 3, 2021, 1:28 pm

>132 tardis: I had my first dose in February, so I guess my second will be soon. Given how crap I felt after the first one, I am not looking forward to it.

137YouKneeK
apr 3, 2021, 4:42 pm

>136 -pilgrim-: It’s different vaccines and different situations of course, but my aunt felt very bad after her first dose of the Pfizer vaccine but didn’t seem to have much reaction at all to the second dose, even though it's usually the other way around for people who get the Pfizer vaccine too. I hope something similar happens for you, with the first shot having been the worst of it.

138YouKneeK
apr 3, 2021, 10:15 pm

Audiobook Review: Foreigner by C. J. Cherryh



This was another one of my series-sampling audio listens, to see if I might want to pursue it in print someday. It was also my first time reading anything by C. J. Cherryh, whom I’ve often seen mentioned favorably.

Audio Narration
The narrator was Daniel Thomas May and he’s now on my list as one of the good ones! His narration style is very much the style I prefer. It’s a more understated and unobtrusive reading. He didn’t overly dramatize or exaggerate the characters or the story and he sort of faded into the background while I just focused on the story and almost forgot I was being read to. That is exactly what I like best. He also did a good job of differentiating character voices, and I can’t think of a single aspect of his narration that ever annoyed me.

There are a lot of unfamiliar sorts of names and terms and that was a little more overwhelming to me in audio at first than it would have been in print. A word feels more solid and memorable to me if I see it in print than it does if I only hear it, and I’m somehow much less frustrated by not knowing how a word is properly pronounced than I am by not knowing how it’s spelled. Once the story settled into its rhythm, I was less bothered by it and didn’t have any significant confusion that impacted my ability to follow the story.

Story
The story is a little misleading at first. It’s broken up into three “books”, although the first two books are very short. The second book was sort of like a prologue, and the first book was sort of like a prologue to that prologue. I enjoyed both books, but they gave an impression that the story was going to be something different than it was. Fortunately I enjoyed the third book also, which is when the real story starts.

Because of this structure, it’s hard to give a brief, spoiler-free taste of what this book is about for anybody reading this review who’s curious. If you know the state of affairs at the beginning of the third book, then it spoils the preliminary details from the first and second book. Yet the first and second books really don’t describe the story at all. So I’ll put a brief explanation of how book three starts in spoiler tags, and people can read it or not as they choose. The story focuses on a human ambassador to an alien people on an alien planet where some humans became stranded 200 years ago. At the beginning of his story, somebody tries to assassinate him.

The main character, Bren, is the type of character I don’t always like reading about, so it’s a little surprising to me that I was so invested in his story. He can be a bit whiny, and he often came across as not being very competent at or even well-suited for his job. Nevertheless, I cared about what happened to him, and I did like some elements of his personality, and I very much liked the other characters that we saw through his eyes.

I wasn’t always engrossed in the story, but it generally held my interest. With audiobooks, I usually have trouble listening for much more than an hour at a time. Even if I want to keep cross-stitching, I turn off the audiobook to give my ears a rest. I easily surpassed that a few times listening to this book. The ending wasn’t terribly satisfying. The most immediate issue was sort of resolved, but this is clearly just the first part of a larger story. There were also hints of interesting backstories that I wanted to learn more about. No doubt all of this would be better satisfied by continuing the series.

I’m marking this one as a “yes” regarding whether or not I want to revisit it in print someday and read further into the series. I would very much like to continue the story at some point. I also think I would enjoy re-reading this first book in print because I sometimes felt like there were nuances to the story that I would have grasped better that way.

Next Audiobook
Midnight Riot by Ben Aaronovitch, known as Rivers of London outside the US. I’ve mentioned elsewhere that I plan to listen to Theft of Swords soon, but I’d like to finish the epic fantasy series I’m currently reading in print before I start an epic fantasy audio. Midnight Riot is urban fantasy I assume, since I believe it’s set in London, but other than that I don’t know anything about it.

139fuzzi
Bewerkt: apr 3, 2021, 10:28 pm

I'm glad you enjoyed Foreigner, I'm overdue for a re-read!

140Maddz
Bewerkt: apr 4, 2021, 1:18 am

>138 YouKneeK: Enjoy Rivers of London!

Anything that puzzles you about UK life, feel free to ask. There's a handy glossary over on https://www.benaaronovitch.com/ which is worth dipping into - the print editions have footnotes, not sure how they manage that on an audio book.

141-pilgrim-
Bewerkt: apr 4, 2021, 5:26 am

I second Maddz' comments. Rivers of London is one of the rare fantasy books, out of all those that claim to be set in London, that have a genuine feel for that city. The police procedural aspects are pretty accurate too, I believe. (Aaronovitch took advice from serving officers.)

>140 Maddz: Footnotes? I have the 2011 Gollancz paperback, and there are no footnotes at all there.

142YouKneeK
apr 4, 2021, 6:50 am

>139 fuzzi: Thanks! It seemed like a book with enough depth to make for a worthwhile re-read.

>140 Maddz:, >141 -pilgrim-: Thanks, that’s great to go into it knowing I can consider its representation of London to be pretty accurate. I’ll listen with especial interest knowing that. And thanks >140 Maddz: for the glossary link; that may prove helpful and is something I would have missed out on in the audio.

143Maddz
apr 4, 2021, 8:25 am

>141 -pilgrim-: Haven't got the paperback any more (went in a clear out a while back). (Checks my Kindle app) - you're right, I must have misremembered or I'm thinking of another book.

144ScoLgo
apr 5, 2021, 3:10 pm

>138 YouKneeK: Happy to see you liked the first Foreigner book! As I am reading through the entire 21-book series this year, I find that each trilogy within the larger series tells a relatively complete story. At the conclusion of each three-book set, most immediate threads are resolved with the larger arc clearly about to continue. I'm therefore taking breaks between trilogies. This 'pallet cleanser' approach allows the story to percolate in my subconscious for a few days while also letting me quickly pick up the thread as a new adventure begins.

I hope you decide to continue. In my experience, the books just keep getting better as the larger story arc develops.

145Narilka
apr 5, 2021, 4:16 pm

>138 YouKneeK: Thanks for the review. I'm going to have to rearrange my TBR soon.

146YouKneeK
apr 5, 2021, 5:58 pm

>144 ScoLgo: Thanks, that’s really helpful to know about the trilogies within the series. I think I would get exasperated reading a series that long that didn’t have some occasional closure, and taking breaks between trilogies sounds like a good plan. I usually read an unrelated standalone every few books when I tackle a very long series, and it helps when there’s a natural breaking point. It will likely be at least a couple years before I come back to it, but I do plan to.

>145 Narilka: I look forward to learning what you think about it! I was reading various discussion threads about it after posting my review, and I saw a few complaints that it has a lot of run-on sentences and uncommonly heavy comma usage. I didn’t really notice it while listening to the audio, but it might be useful to be prepared for it if you’re planning to read it in print. Sometimes that sort of thing will drive me nuts, but I’ll get used to it if I’m otherwise enjoying the story.

147YouKneeK
apr 9, 2021, 6:35 am

Review: Princeps' Fury by Jim Butcher



Princeps’ Fury is the 5th out of 6 books in Jim Butcher’s Codex Alera series.

I enjoyed this one as much as the previous books. Some of the things I’d anticipated would happen as the series approached the end happened in this book, such as the return of the Vord as an active threat and the death of the First Lord.

This was the shortest book in the series, and I think the next book is the longest. In some ways this one felt like a transition book as the story is clearly working its way toward the final climactic events, but it did tell a complete and interesting segment of the story and didn’t end on a cliff hanger or anything. As always, there was a lot of action and all the viewpoints held my interest.

I’m really looking forward to reading the final book!

Next Book
First Lord’s Fury by Jim Butcher, the last book in this series.

148Karlstar
apr 9, 2021, 12:40 pm

>147 YouKneeK: So have you figured out what's coming in book 6?

149BookstoogeLT
apr 9, 2021, 3:30 pm

>147 YouKneeK: Hurray! I am glad this keeps on going strong for you. My wish for this series was a continuation, but obviously that will never happen considering how long it's been since Butcher wrote this series.

150YouKneeK
apr 9, 2021, 5:37 pm

>149 BookstoogeLT: I would definitely be interested in reading more epic fantasy from him, whether it’s this series or something else. It remains to be seen how I’ll feel about the Dresden Files. :)

>148 Karlstar: Just the obvious stuff, I think. I haven’t had a chance to start it yet, so this is based on my thoughts at the end of book 5:

Tavi will become the First Lord for sure, I guess technically he already is, the only question is how much drama there will be before everybody acknowledges that. At the end of book 5 it seemed like Aquitaine admitted Tavi would be what the people really needed to successfully defeat the Vord, so maybe not as much drama as I was originally expecting. I expect there to be at least some trouble with it though.

I expect the Vord to be the primary threat throughout the book. I guess the ones on the Canim continent won’t rest on their laurels now that they mostly have the place conquered and will find a way to follow soon after Tavi to add their numbers to the fight.

I’m not quite clear who the being who calls herself Alera is, but she showed up to introduce herself to Tavi at the very end of book 5. Either she seeks out a relationship with whoever the First Lord is, or that’s what Gaius Sextus had asked her to do when we saw him making some unknown request of her. Either way, I assume she’ll have some sort of aid to give and obligations to place on him. Maybe she’s some sort of autonomous fury.

Tavi will probably finally manifest a fury (maybe several of them) in this book, since that seems to be the main thing he hasn’t accomplished yet. Since people can bequeath their furies to people, I guess Tavi will get Gaius Sextus’ furies, if nothing else.

I kind of expect at least one main character or an important secondary character to be given a dramatic death, although the author has been very nice to his main characters so far, so maybe not. He did kill off Gaius Sextus of course, but that was obviously coming ever since the first book so it doesn’t count. If Max gets killed off I’ll be annoyed, which means he’s the most likely choice I guess. :p Or maybe Ehren as the close friend of Tavi who the reader is likely to be a little less attached to and therefore more forgiving of losing. If not one of them, then maybe Fidelias or Doroga. I’d be happy if they all survive, though.


That’s all I can think of off the top of my head. :)

151Karlstar
apr 9, 2021, 9:56 pm

>150 YouKneeK: Very good guesses. Sort of - I don't want to spoil the book. :). These were a fun read and I kind of wish there were one or two more.

152Storeetllr
apr 13, 2021, 3:47 pm

>150 YouKneeK: >151 Karlstar: Okay, now I want to reread the Calderon books.

153NorthernStar
apr 13, 2021, 4:47 pm

>147 YouKneeK: Glad you are enjoying this series. I revisited it recently through listening to the audiobooks, which I enjoyed. They are really long, though, averaging over 20 hours each.

154YouKneeK
apr 13, 2021, 6:04 pm

>152 Storeetllr:, >153 NorthernStar: I could see where this would be a fun series to reread/listen. BookstoogeLT has read it, what, 3 times now? I think if I ever start adding rereads into my schedule, epic fantasy series would be my most common choice.

While I’m here, I should probably note that I’m going to be really slow to finish this last book, and maybe my current audiobook too. Work is consuming most of my time right now, including weekends. I’m hoping it will get better in a couple weeks.

155BookstoogeLT
apr 14, 2021, 5:52 pm

>154 YouKneeK: Yep, 3 times. I suspect it has one more re-read in it before I let it lie. We'll see in 10 years or so though :-)

156YouKneeK
apr 17, 2021, 8:15 pm

Audiobook Review: Midnight Riot by Ben Aaronovitch



This was another one of my series-sampling audio listens, to see if I might want to pursue it in print someday. I’ve been really curious about this series for some reason, even though I really didn’t know what it was supposed to be about. I think sometimes I tend to soak up impressions from reviews I’ve read and those impressions stick with me while I forget the specifics.

Audio Narration
The narrator was Kobna Holdbrook-Smith. I liked him pretty well. He was easy to listen to and didn’t overdo the drama. My biggest complaint would be with his voicing of the main female characters, who were both voiced as if they were whiny and petulant. I might have bought into that for Beverley, but I didn’t think it fit Lesley’s dialogue or character.

The male voices and some of the other females were fine, though. At first I did have some difficulty recognizing the distinctive voices he was using for the male characters because all I heard was “British” and my ears weren’t picking up the nuances. I only had trouble for the first hour or so though, then my ears adjusted. The narrator's British accent worked very well for a story that's set in London, and since I'm your typical (maybe?) American who enjoys listening to British accents, I enjoyed listening to him even when I was bored by the story. :)

Story
I don’t know… I feel like I should have liked this more than I did. I did enjoy parts of it, but I liked it less as it went on. It’s a fun concept. A new constable, Peter Grant, discovers he has the ability to see the supernatural and gets recruited into a special branch of the police that most people don’t know about – one that handles supernatural-based crimes. I liked the premise, but wasn’t as crazy about the execution. I’m not usually a big fan of police procedurals, although sometimes I do like them, so that probably didn’t help.

Maybe I would have liked it better in print because I would have followed the details better. There were definitely some things I had difficulty keeping straight in audio, like infrequently-mentioned character names who were important to the plot. However, there were also aspects of the story that didn’t seem to make a lot of sense, particularly toward the end leading up to the final resolution. I’m not sure if I missed some critical bits, but the author seemed to follow the strategy of “if I make the ending busy and crazy enough, nobody will notice it doesn’t make sense” that some authors take.

Aside from that, there were some more minor issues I had with the basic premise. Like how is it that Peter has made it all the way to adulthood and through police training before realizing he can see the supernatural? How is it that Nightingale just happened to encounter Peter just after he met his first ghost and conveniently just before his career path within the police force was settled? Maybe there are answers to those things later in the series. My other main complaint was that so much time passed throughout the story that it didn’t seem like Peter and Nightingale had much of a sense of urgency regarding the issues at hand. I also found myself completely spacing out during the action scenes. Some authors write actions scenes in a way that hold my attention, and some don’t. I don’t know what makes the difference for me, but this was one that didn’t.

Even though I have a lot of complaints, there were things I liked. I enjoyed some of the humor (or maybe I should spell it humour since it was set in London!) and I liked Nightingale a lot and would enjoy reading more about him. I liked the main character, Peter, reasonably well, although I wasn’t that attached. He definitely has room to grow in the maturity department! I did like how he tried to introduce a more scientific approach and would be interested to see where things go with that.

So… will I revisit this series in print some day? I’m marking it as a “probably not”. I’d be willing to give it another try, but it’s not likely to be prioritized high enough that I could realistically expect to ever get to it.

Next Audiobook
The Calculating Stars by Mary Robinette Kowal.

157Maddz
apr 18, 2021, 3:55 am

>156 YouKneeK: Glad you enjoyed it, but sorry you didn't like it enough to continue. Your comment about Peter not realising until he's an adult that he's a practitioner has to do with this:

1. Since WWII, magic has been in decline world-wide. It's been coming back since the 1960s.
2. People don't realise what they see is supernatural; they gloss it as a very uncommon mundane phenomenon or their mind completely rejects it.
3. People either are supernatural (because they come from a magical family or are descended from a supernatural entity) or, like Peter, become supernatural because of an encounter that triggers a latent potential.

You might want to try A Rare Book of Cunning Device - it's a short story set later on in the series and is free (at least in the UK).

158-pilgrim-
Bewerkt: apr 18, 2021, 7:36 am

>156 YouKneeK: I felt very similar about the book when I read it in 2019.

And certainly the reader is doing you no favours if he makes Lesley sound petulant; she is definitely a tough, no-nonsense lass.

I persisted with the series because I had bought a cheap box set and they were the ideal size to complete one per chemo session, and they do get better. The fudging involved in the ending of the first book (which I complained about in my review) is something that he goes back and tries to fix later.

I would disagree, however, with Maddz' explanation of why Peter had " not noticed his supernatural potential" before at point #3:
In the Aaronovitch world view, there are inherently supernatural people, like the Rivers. But there is also magic as a field of academic study, in the style of the Elizabethan cabalists, such as John Dee. A talent for magic like is like a talent for mathematics - once you start studying the field you realise that its contents all make sense to you (or not). But anyone COULD learn.

It is just that magical decline rendered magic less powerful, so people stopped believing in it. Even if you came across a genuine textbook, why would you put in hours and hours of concentration and study and practice, attempting to do something that "everyone knows" isn't going to work anyway? Peter has a mentor (to tell him what to do and keeping him practicing) AND an aptitude (which means he leans quickly). But this is like riding a bicycle - very few people can't, but you don't know that you would be any good at it until you try. But, unlike bicycles, most people never try.

Peter sees his first supernatural being because that being deliberately revealed himself to Peter.

And Nightingale was there and see how Peter dealt with the revelation that the supernatural exists. And decided to take an apprentice.

What Nightingale has been doing since the War has been very much affected by what actually happened during the War. He has not been taking apprentices; he has his reasons.

A lot of urban fantasy cheerfully superimposes supernatural powers on top of "our" world, without thinking through the consequences (I'm looking at you, JKR). Those who have sought magic, through history, have usually been people seeking power, power to dominate. A lot of trained magicians would not necessarily be a good thing. You would want to be sure that they have a genuine ethic of public service. (But then again, what do such people do in time of war...)

There are not many magicians for the same reason as there aren't many Latinists: there aren't many teachers left and the subject didn't seem important (because magic was fading). And the self-taught tend not to have proper understanding.

159Maddz
apr 18, 2021, 6:48 am

>158 -pilgrim-: 'And the self-taught tend not to have proper understanding.'

And usually end up with a terminal case of 'cauliflower brain' fairly quickly.

160-pilgrim-
Bewerkt: apr 18, 2021, 7:46 am

>159 Maddz: Exactly. A perfect example of a self-limiting process.

It's like teaching yourself to ride a bike, except whenever you make an error, instead of getting a few scrapes from falling off, you do yourself permanent brain damage (in addition to any disaster that arises from the spell itself).

161YouKneeK
apr 18, 2021, 10:23 am

>157 Maddz:, >158 -pilgrim-: Those reasons for Peter not (knowingly) encountering the supernatural sooner in life make sense, although I still have some trouble with the coincidental nature of everything all falling into place at the perfect time for both Peter’s career path and the story. I guess it’s no more of a coincidence than the ones that drive many other books, and it's certainly less annoying than the nonsense at the end, but it niggled at me throughout the book for some reason. I never had any issues with there being so few magic practitioners, that part was obvious, but more with the overly coincidental aspects of the story.

>158 -pilgrim-: Thanks for that link to your review! The ensuing discussion about Punch & Judy was entertaining too. :) By this point I’ve run across references to it just often enough to have some basic familiarity with what it entailed, but I wasn’t aware of (or had forgotten) some of the other “symbolism” you mentioned.

162tardis
apr 18, 2021, 10:25 am

I have never been able to look at Punch and Judy the same way since I read Rivers of London. I never liked it much before but now it really creeps me out :)

163YouKneeK
apr 18, 2021, 10:29 am

>162 tardis: Haha, I can see why!

164-pilgrim-
Bewerkt: apr 18, 2021, 11:37 am

>162 tardis:, >163 YouKneeK: Are either of you aware of the Terry Pratchett take on Punch and Judy?

It is available online here.

It should finish off your ability to watch a Punch and Judy show nicely.

165YouKneeK
apr 18, 2021, 1:25 pm

>164 -pilgrim-: Yes, that was actually my very first exposure to Punch and Judy and I was very confused at the time. :)

166-pilgrim-
apr 18, 2021, 1:31 pm

>165 YouKneeK: I actually went to a Punch and Judy show when at the seaside when I was very small. Somewhat bowdlerised, of course - I am sure that they didn't include beating the baby. I hated it.

167tardis
apr 18, 2021, 3:18 pm

>164 -pilgrim-: I have read that, several times. I love it.

168Maddz
apr 18, 2021, 3:46 pm

>166 -pilgrim-: I remember watching the P&J shows on Llandudno seafront. My great-aunt lived in Deganwy, and we'd spend several weeks with her every summer (my dad used to go on long overseas business trips) and staying there was a cheap summer holiday for us. This would have been in the 60s & 70s.

Auntie May like us coming to stay because we had a car and she could get over to Llandudno where the decent shops were. I also remember her staying with us and being really impressed when she'd buy clothes and have them altered to fit... (Back in those days, the local department stores and the local dress shops all employed dressmakers.)

169YouKneeK
apr 18, 2021, 8:05 pm

Ok, this is completely random, but I just had to share this funny video involving squirrels versus bird feeders (and more) that somebody linked to over on GR. I did not have time to watch a 20 minute video when I clicked on this. By the time I noticed it was a 20 minute video, maybe 45 seconds in, I couldn’t stop watching. I am therefore warning you of its length ahead of time!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFZFjoX2cGg

170Karlstar
apr 18, 2021, 10:22 pm

>169 YouKneeK: Yep, those are hysterical! Did you watch any of his other videos?

171Maddz
apr 19, 2021, 2:39 am

My mum used to have a bird feeder in the birch tree close to the house where she could watch the birds from her arm chair. Unfortunately, it was easily accessible to the squirrels.

So, we moved the feeder to the bay overhang (our sitting room was full length and had a bay window either end (at least upstairs) - the rear end of the sitting room opened into a patio with an overhanging bay. The squirrel climbed onto the Virginia creeper and accessed the feeder by hanging upside down.

We then put the feeder on a length of line. The squirrel hauled the feeder up so it could reach it.

The problem was solved by hanging the feeder from 2 stiff wires with a joint in the middle. Too long to access by hanging upside down, and all hauling up would do would mean the feeder still dangled out of reach on the second piece of wire.

We later caught the squirrel trying to be a flying squirrel - it would run along a branch of the birch tree and launch. Unfortunately, gravity would take over before it reached the feeder.

Our feeders are on a pole in the middle of the lawn - we caught the squirrels climbing the pole so we got a conical squirrel baffle to attach to the pole. Cue squirrel sitting on lawn wondering how to get past the baffle... Fortunately, the trees are too flimsy to do a run along a branch and launch technique.

172YouKneeK
apr 19, 2021, 6:26 am

>170 Karlstar: No, watching even one 20-minute video had not been how I intended to spend any part of my only day off after two weeks, although I don't necessarily regret it. I may go back someday to see if any of his other videos are as entertaining when I have a more normal schedule. Have you watched his videos before? Any favorites I should look for when I have time?

>171 Maddz: LOL, congrats on finally outwitting the squirrels by baffling them with a baffle! Although I’ve seen them go flying between the trees outside my home office window quite a lot, I never realized just how athletic they were. I’ve lacked the opportunity to watch them run an obstacle course I guess. :)

173Busifer
apr 19, 2021, 11:41 am

>138 YouKneeK: So glad that you enjoyed your first forage into the Foreigner universe! As so many others I would like to point towards Chanur (starting with Pride of Chanur) for a complete and more, um, limited, series experience ;-)

I too enjoyed the way Daniel Thomas May reads. A couple of years ago I went down with a monster flu that made using my eyes impossible. I used an Audible credit to get the first Foreigner book, thinking that I'd read it enough that my brain would not have to work overtime: pure comfort "reading". I ended up purchasing and listening to every single one of the then 19 books in the series, continuing well after the flu had worked its way out of my system. I found him easy to listen to.

174Storeetllr
apr 19, 2021, 3:41 pm

I felt much the same about the Rivers of London series all the way through, though I continued to read them through Lies Sleeping. Never got around to the next (and last, I think), False Value.

Squirrels. My sister used to love to feed them, and once she bought a plastic horse's head that the squirrels were supposed to stick their upper halves in to get peanuts and make it look like they were dancing horses. In a day, they tore the plastic muzzle apart to get at the peanuts. They are such menaces, but really cute so it's hard to stay mad at them.


One way, or another...

175YouKneeK
apr 19, 2021, 5:32 pm

>173 Busifer: Haha, thanks for the additional Chanur push! That must have amounted to an enormous amount of listening hours. I’ve begun to reach the point where I can see myself possibly continuing some series in audio, down the road when I’ve run out of series I want to sample. Something like Foreigner where I enjoyed the story but its size makes it difficult to fit into my print reading schedule, or something like the Iron Druid Chronicles that I had fun listening to but am not convinced it has enough depth to satisfy me in print.

>174 Storeetllr: That’s helpful to know you had similar opinions about the series, and that it didn’t change as you kept reading. LOL, I love that picture. And I love your sister's idea even if the squirrels didn't cooperate. I feel similarly about my cat (a menace, but too cute to stay mad at), but I guess a squirrel would out-menace even my cat.

176Karlstar
apr 19, 2021, 6:46 pm

>172 YouKneeK: I think his claim to fame is his anti-porch pirate device, of which there are at least 2 different models and multiple videos. Very funny stuff.

If I haven't already, I also vote for the Chanur series. Foreigner is good, but never ending.

177YouKneeK
apr 19, 2021, 7:28 pm

>176 Karlstar: Anti-porch pirate devices sound like something I could get into! I’ll have to seek that out when I have time. I hope there's a catapult involved. ;)

You voted for Chanur in >105 Karlstar:, so my Ctrl+F skills have outwitted your attempt at double voting. ;)

178fuzzi
apr 19, 2021, 9:54 pm

Did I vote for Chanur yet...? 😁

179Busifer
apr 20, 2021, 5:12 am

>175 YouKneeK: On audio: I started doing audio when I had quite long commutes, both to and from the office and from the office to and from various meetings. As things changed I started to walk to and from work, so shorter "commutes" but with the routine of listening to something as I walked. That way I got 50-60 minutes of listening in, every work day.
When I commuted in a more traditional way I could easily get 60-90 minutes of listening into a day.

Ordinarily I listen to lecture series' from the Greater Courses, but I do both "rereads" of favourite stories and new to me books. I have found that I don't particularly enjoy reading John Scalzi the traditional way but love listening to Wil Wheaton's voice when he perform a Scalzi story. So, for me audio complements the ordinary reading that I do but it is predicated by me walking or travelling: I can not listen and cook, or listen sitting, or in bed. Except when I'm ill and have no choice.

180YouKneeK
apr 20, 2021, 7:11 am

>178 fuzzi: Haha, all you sneaky double voters! ;)

>179 Busifer: I’m envious of those of you who can listen to audiobooks while commuting, or at least I was envious back when I was still commuting. I tried that many, many times and it didn’t usually work for me unless I found one I really enjoyed. I would constantly lose attention while I focused on traffic, or while I thought about what I needed to do when I got to work, or puzzled over some lingering problem at work (which often led to solutions, or at least ideas), or thought about what I wanted to do when I got home. Sometimes I think I spent more time rewinding than listening, and other times I just got fed up at being blabbed at while my mind had better things to do and turned it off altogether. I also tend to get annoyed at too much yapping in the morning, so didn't really want to listen to audiobooks during the drive in. Then on the ride home, after being around people talking all day, I didn't really want to listen to more talking. Exercise worked slightly better for audiobooks if it was a really good book, but otherwise it made the exercise feel like torture. Music works best for me to keep my energy and my pace up.

Cross-stitching is the first activity I’ve found where I can stay focused on the audiobook pretty well, even if it isn't one I really like and/or it has an obnoxious narrator. Cross-stitching seems to require exactly the right level of attention for me. It's also a relaxing activity, so maybe that helps quiet my thoughts enough that I can better focus on listening to something external. I'd like to think that maybe in time I’ll find I’ve gained the ability to listen to audiobooks better during other activities too.

181Busifer
apr 20, 2021, 9:27 am

>180 YouKneeK: My commutes consists in walking or going by public transport, so not that much thought and attention needed on actually getting there. I would not be able to drive and listen simultaneously!

I think you're spot on regarding attention level, and finding the one that works for oneself. For me listening to something not work-related for a short while as I get to or from work is just the respite and and energy reload that I need: my brain tends to pick at issues even when I sleep, which can be very exhausting.

182fuzzi
apr 20, 2021, 2:44 pm

>180 YouKneeK: your experiences with audiobooks mirror mine...I just can't pay attention to them, my mind wanders too much.

I sometimes wander with print, but can stop and turn the pages back to where I originally lost track, but I am unable to do that with audio.

183YouKneeK
apr 20, 2021, 6:07 pm

>181 Busifer: Ah, that would help! Public transportation options tend to be really limited in the US unless you live in or very close to a major city. Even then, I think it’s not convenient to everybody. I’m close to Atlanta, but not quite close enough.

My brain often seems to pick at issues while I’m sleeping also, at least when I have something I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about during the day. I’ve been known to wake up in the middle of the night with an answer to something and have to grab my cell phone to write myself a note so I don't forget. Other times I dream that I’m working on whatever project is bugging me, then wake up and feel like I have to go back to sleep so I can finish what I was working on, for all the sense that makes! But it doesn't happen too often unless I've really spent a lot of time puzzling over something, and I do at least usually fall back asleep easily when it happens. I also have an odd tendency to come up with answers in the shower when I'm not intentionally thinking about anything.

>182 fuzzi: It always makes me feel better to see others with similar audiobook issues. :) My mind also sometimes wanders while I read in print and I also find it easier to pick back up where I lost track in that case. I do find that I’m not having to rewind as far as I used to when I lost attention to an audiobook. While commuting I often had to rewind 5 minutes or more, and occasionally I even rewound an entire commute. While cross-stitching, I usually only need the occasional 30-60 second rewind, and not as often.

184Busifer
apr 21, 2021, 4:32 am

>183 YouKneeK: I'm the same. And to me listening to something totally unrelated can help unlock some of the things I wrangle with.

If one is in Stockholm, or any of the larger cities in Sweden, one can easily fool oneself into believing that public transport works. I tend to get irritated when the bus is 3 minutes late ;-) Everywhere else in Sweden I think the situation is much like yours: public transport exist, but not in any kind of frequency to make it convenient. Or, don't exist at all. The upper 2/3 of Sweden is home to only 10% of the population and municipalities does not have the economic muscle to uphold a transportation network. So everyone drives, instead.

185Karlstar
apr 21, 2021, 6:16 am

>177 YouKneeK: Nope, no catapult, but there is glitter! I am suitably chastised for my double vote. I'll just say in my defense, I like cats.

186YouKneeK
apr 21, 2021, 6:32 am

>184 Busifer: Ah, that definitely makes sense that public transportation wouldn’t be available in the less populated areas of Sweden.

>185 Karlstar: Haha, well, liking cats makes up for all evils I guess! ;)

187Maddz
apr 21, 2021, 8:13 am

Outside of cities, public transport in the UK is problematic. I live in a dormitory town for Cambridge, and the only real public transport to get in is the guided busway - which is pretty frequent but expensive. A day ticket is somewhere in the region of £8, but that gets you unlimited rides within the network (kind of pointless if you are taking a single bus from point A to point B and back again).

For the 12 miles into Cambridge, it takes 45-60 minutes depending on roadworks. Going the other way, the 6 miles into Huntingdon costs the same and takes as long... However, I can use the same bus to get into Peterborough for the same price. These days, now I don't need to commute into Cambridge, I drive.

When I go back to the office (in London), I'll be back driving into Huntingdon and paying for the station car park. The reason for that is I object to spending around an hour or more on that leg of my commute instead of 20 minutes. The train also means hanging around on draughty station platforms, and I don't want to do the same at draughty bus stops. Plus the bus times don't fit my work pattern - I'd have to time shift by 30 minutes, otherwise I just miss a bus on the way home and have to wait 50 minutes for the next one (or walk across the common to the bus station - not fun in the dark in midwinter).

188Busifer
Bewerkt: apr 21, 2021, 10:33 am

>187 Maddz: Despite an excellent network when we lived outside the city husband commuted by car.
Because if you do 12 hour shifts you don't want to spend 45 minutes each way on a commute that included two changes and thus could be unreliable when each way was 15-20 minutes by car. Outside regular office hours service is a bit spottier and not necessarily optimised for across the various providers.

He listened to a lot of audiobooks back then. Because for some reason he manages to do more than one thing at a time. At least when one of them is driving...

189YouKneeK
apr 21, 2021, 7:39 pm

>187 Maddz: My impression of UK public transport was that it was awesome, but it probably just seemed so in comparison with the US. I guess I didn’t go that far off the beaten path, and I certainly didn’t see more than a fraction of the UK, but I was amazed at being able to get everywhere I wanted to go, including between different cities, without having to rent a car.

190YouKneeK
apr 21, 2021, 7:41 pm

>188 Busifer: I’m envious of your husband’s multi-tasking skills! ;) I would probably make the same choice if driving would save me that much time in addition to having a more reliable schedule.

191Maddz
apr 22, 2021, 1:43 am

>189 YouKneeK: You were here, what 10 years ago? There have been changes in how public transport is funded starting 20 years ago, and this has been accelerating in the past 10 years. Intercity transport is the province of the rail operating companies or long distance coach, and local transport is the purview of local government at county or borough level (unless somewhere like London which is London-wide run by TfL). This is now all 'for profit'; both nationally and locally - local government subsidise bus routes and the bus companies operate them.

Unfortunately, local government funding from central government hasn't been keeping place with inflation, and public transport funding is a discretionary grant. This funding has largely dried up, and bus companies have been dropping unprofitable routes, or the route only operates on 'pension day' (when OAPs would collect their pension in cash from their nearest post office) or on market day or to fit with school hours. So now the local bus routes are far between, especially in rural areas.

I can remember this from my childhood. When we first moved into our house in Poole, there was a bus that ran every 30 minutes at the end of the road (our house was a corner house). My mother's daily help caught that bus to get to her home. The route dropped to every hour, and when I went to secondary school, the last bus out was at 4:30 pm, which wasn't quite enough time for me to catch it from the bus station in Bournemouth unless I was extraordinarily lucky, so I could only get a bus to the local 'village' shops, or to the local rail station even further away. Being hilly, the walk home from where I got off the bus took 30 minutes - not pleasant in the rain with a satchel full of text books and sports kit. My mum in the end organised a minibus/coach as there were enough kids going to that school to make a dedicated school service viable. By the time my sister went to the same school, the local bus had been completely withdrawn.

192Busifer
apr 22, 2021, 3:59 am

>191 Maddz: This sounds remarkably close to what is going on in Swedish public transport, though no-where near as severe (yet).
But it's a wide gap between the big cities, such as Stockholm, which need to have public transport or the city would be one big traffic jam, and the small municipalities like Boden, were we have out cabin.
There service is much as what you describe, and in their specific case public transport is still run directly by the municipality. And they just don't have the money for more. So everyone drives instead.

193YouKneeK
apr 22, 2021, 6:16 am

>191 Maddz: Ah, that’s unfortunate. Yeah, my for-fun trip was a little under 12 years ago, and my business trip where we stayed in a more confined area was 10 years ago.

194hfglen
apr 22, 2021, 7:05 am

>191 Maddz: Er. Better Half and I had two glorious years at Kew 1980-82 (so about 40 years ago). Public transport to central London was brilliant, to Edinburgh (when not strikebound) only slightly less so. But for tasks like the weekly shopping or weekend sightseeing (almost always to somewhere that had ancient monuments and a real-ale pub, so in deepest countryside) or showing family around, a car was a necessity.

195Maddz
Bewerkt: apr 22, 2021, 8:27 am

>194 hfglen: That was when I lived in London - near Baron's Court before I moved to Leeds to do my Masters. Kew Gardens was a nice day out when elderly relations came to stay.

My weekly shopping was on foot (Smithfield Market) at lunch break (I worked at Barts), or on a bike at weekends (going to the nearest Sainsburys or going to the North End Road Market. Otherwise it was tube trips.

196Storeetllr
apr 23, 2021, 3:02 pm

I visited Italy in 2003 and was impressed with the public transportation. I was there a month and used trains and buses to get all over the country, from Milan to Florence to Rome to Naples to Sorrento to Paestum back to Rome and Florence and then rented a car for a few days in Siena because I wanted the experience of driving in Italy, then back to public transpo to get to Venice (loved the water taxis!) and finally Milan to fly back to California. Los Angeles has a pretty good public transpo system; even so, I was impressed with Italy. Not sure how it is now, almost 20 years later.

197Busifer
apr 23, 2021, 3:57 pm

I haven't been to Italy since 2008 (gasp!) but are in in a FB group that share tips and trick for getting around the world, but mainly Europe, by train and complementary means of public transport, and from that I have the impression that it's much as it was back then, in the more densely populated areas: pretty good, all things considered.

We northern Europeans tend to think of southern Europe as not as dedicated to keeping the timetables as we're used to, though. We get pretty upset if something is 3-5 minutes late, as that likely will make us miss our connection, while I've spent enough time south of the Alps thinking of timetables as more of approximations ;-)

And just as in the less populated areas of Sweden places like fx Corsica has an abysmal public transport system, despite mainland France having a good coverage.

198YouKneeK
apr 23, 2021, 7:19 pm

>197 Busifer: Haha, I could see wanting the timetables to be precise myself, so I could plan properly. I have no idea how well they do with keeping to the timetables for the public transportation in the Atlanta area, but I don’t see how the buses could possibly keep to a precise schedule with our unpredictable traffic.

While I’m here, some reading updates. I’m really close to finishing my print book, the last book of the Codex Alera series. I’d hoped to finish tonight, but I had to work later than I’d hoped so I probably won't have enough time. Definitely not enough time to both finish reading the book and writing a review. Hopefully tomorrow, though. The audiobook will be a while. I have about 3 out of 12 hours in, and most of that time was last Sunday. I’m enjoying it, but I’ve been working late hours so I haven't had much time for anything. I have to work yet again this coming weekend, 3rd weekend in a row, but hopefully only a couple hours this time.

199Busifer
apr 24, 2021, 5:07 am

>197 Busifer: On timetables and punctuality: It helps that in many northern European cities public transport vehicles have right of way, with special lanes dedicated to buses (and to taxis), traffic lights silently communicating with the bus computer to make traffic flow, et cetera.

200-pilgrim-
Bewerkt: apr 24, 2021, 5:43 am

>199 Busifer: I am familiar with bus lanes here in the UK too, of course, although they are usually shared with cyclists as well as taxis.

I had not heard of bus computers liaising with the traffic light predictive switching before - although it makes perfect sense that they should.

Certainly the bus stops in most major cities (and some minor) now display, updated in real time, when the next bus on each route is expected to arrive. (The system would impress me a lot more if the stop nearest to my house had not displayed false information - starting with incorrect date, time of day, and deteriorating from there - for over 6 months! High tech is useless without at least minimal efforts towards maintenance.)

201Busifer
apr 24, 2021, 6:15 am

>200 -pilgrim-: Emergency responder vehicles has that vehicle computer-traffic lights communication, too.

We've had that kind of information system for well over a decade, probably more like 15 years. It's pretty accurate, it communicates with the bus computer, too.
And for the trains we have an automated train-rail traffic management system that is linked to to passenger information system (or, well, there's several systems, but let's not get into technicalities ;-) ). The problem with either one is that it's not truly predictive, but only reports where the vehicle is "now" and then displays an arrival time based on what should be true. If there's an engine breakdown, or an accident blocking the traffic, the time shown will not be accurate.

Other systems, such as the traffic system's web site or app, will provide more information, though often a bit late: there's several human beings in between who have to receive the information and then type in a message.

202YouKneeK
apr 25, 2021, 10:53 am

Review: First Lord’s Fury by Jim Butcher



This was the last book in the six-book Codex Alera series. This was a really good epic fantasy series, and I’m glad I read it. It was consistently well-written, with characters I cared a lot about, and an interesting story.

I do think I started to experience some “battle fatigue” by this last book. The whole series has quite a lot of action and it’s written well, focusing on the characters so that it stays interesting and doesn’t get repetitive. However, by this book I more or less knew how everything was going to end up and I was just ready to get the last climactic battle over with. It seemed to go on forever. This is probably partly because my work schedule really slowed my reading down, so it seemed to go on forever because it took me (almost) forever to finish the book.

It was still a very good story, and I was mostly happy with how everything wrapped up. I would have preferred though for the main action to end sooner and for there to have been more pages focused on the aftermath. I also rolled my eyes a bit at the end where we see the happily married or soon-to-be-married couples from the series with all their children, babies, and fat bellies. Very cliché. I thought I’d accidentally taken a wrong page turn into the ending of a romance book or something. There’s a decent section toward the end in which we learn about future plans, and that part made me happy, but I would have liked something more substantial. I also would have liked some last moments with some of the other recurring characters we didn’t see again near the end.

As I’ve said in previous reviews, this isn’t the twistiest of stories, but it’s never so predictable as to be boring. It’s good fun with great characters, funny banter, and other occasional humor. It was a satisfying epic fantasy series within a reasonable six-book series size. There’s definitely room for more stories, but I would worry that the next obvious direction the story would take would be too repetitive with what has already been written, so I think I’m glad it ended here. Although I know it’s a very different sort of a series, I’m now more interested in trying the author’s Dresden Files at some point to see if his writing works for me there, too.

Next Book
To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee, one of my second quarter classic selections. Nope, I’ve never read this before. Yes, it is quite comfortable here under this rock, thank you!

203clamairy
Bewerkt: apr 25, 2021, 11:19 am

Ha! The hibernation rock! I'm still paying for that inadvertent comment, aren't I? I can't even remember which spoiler that was. (It certainly wasn't the Granny Weatherwax one, as I got nailed with that one myself before reading the last book in that series.)

I predict you're going to enjoy this one!

ETA: I had to look, and it was GoT related spoilers.

204YouKneeK
apr 25, 2021, 11:40 am

>203 clamairy: Haha, I hadn’t remembered, so I’m glad you did! That one didn’t make as big an impression since, if I remember correctly, you saved me from seeing it. The one referred to in your spoiler tag, on the other hand, I most definitely remember!

I’ve really been looking forward to finally trying To Kill a Mockingbird.

205BookstoogeLT
apr 25, 2021, 12:40 pm

>202 YouKneeK: Glad to see the series ended so well for you. Honestly, I'm surprised you didn't burn out from series fatigue. And as much as I want more Alera, it probably IS a good thing we don't have more.

Good luck with Dresden. I hate that character's guts and despise him with the despising of 10,000 despicable despisions! Thankfully Butcher started another series so I'm hopeful he'll pick it back up some day...

206YouKneeK
apr 25, 2021, 8:33 pm

>205 BookstoogeLT: Who, me? The person who read the WOT books more or less all in a row? Feist’s even longer Riftwar series? Succumb to series fatigue over a mere 6 books? Never!

Dissing Dresden? Despite your dire and despicable Dresden doomsaying, I’ll determine inDependently if it’s dreadful drivel or deliriously delectable. ;)

...probably not for several months though. I got the audiobook on sale not too long ago, but it’s #8 on my tentative listening sequence.

(I blame Fuzzi’s thread for inspiring excessive alliteration.)

207Karlstar
apr 25, 2021, 10:30 pm

>204 YouKneeK: You'll enjoy it!

208fuzzi
apr 26, 2021, 9:19 am

>206 YouKneeK: are you boasting or complaining? :)

209-pilgrim-
apr 26, 2021, 11:07 am

>174 Storeetllr: FWIW, my reaction to the Rivers of London series was similar to yours, so I put off reading False Value for quite a while. However, I found it the best of the lot. Having made it so far, you have probably picked the wrong point at which to stop.

210YouKneeK
apr 26, 2021, 5:58 pm

>207 Karlstar: I barely had time to scratch the surface yesterday, but it looks promising so far.

>208 fuzzi: Haha, maybe both!

211reading_fox
apr 27, 2021, 10:41 am

>204 YouKneeK: tKaM is a very very different book. I loved every word of it, one of the very few classics that I can totally recommend. Gorgeous prose of an innocent child enjoying growing up and discovering the world isn't fair.

Dresden is enjoyably different (and better? more fulfilling? lower expectations?) from Codex.

212YouKneeK
apr 27, 2021, 6:21 pm

>211 reading_fox: I’m enjoying it so far, although reading progress is still glacial thanks to work. I was chuckling at some of the school scenes while reading before bed last night.

I’m still curious what you were referring to back in >117 reading_fox:. Now that I’ve finished the series, I still can’t reconcile what you said with what I read by any stretch of my imagination. Were you thinking of a different character maybe?

213reading_fox
apr 28, 2021, 5:47 am

>212 YouKneeK: - I didn't enjoy them enough to want to re-read them. So it's memories from 2010! Looking back at my reviews in Academ, Fiedelius is an interesting character, we're nto sure where his loyalty lies and he had a lot of promise to make interesting decisions. By Captain there's none of the interesting doubt and walking the grey line, the good are over there and everyone else is bad. Boring.

214YouKneeK
apr 28, 2021, 6:47 am

>213 reading_fox: Ah, ok. That explanation makes more sense to me. So it wasn't that Fidelias became a generic bad guy (because he didn't become a bad guy at all), but that he made his decision about where his loyalties belonged and stuck to them, becoming less ambiguous. I found him short-sighted and foolish in the earlier books, so for me his character growth was an improvement. I enjoyed his juggling act in the later books as he tried to support Tavi while protecting himself from both sides.

But in general, I enjoy both types of books for different reasons, both the morally ambiguous types and the more clear-cut types where you can root for a group of heroes without reservation. As long as I otherwise enjoy the writing and the story, they both have a different sort of appeal for me.

215YouKneeK
apr 28, 2021, 8:05 pm

I’m now in the 14-day countdown after my 2nd vaccine dose (Moderna). :) 12.5 days to go until I can say I’m “fully vaccinated”. For me, the side effects weren’t horrible, although definitely more intense than the first shot. As before, I started feeling a bit yucky in the evening, a little under 12 hours after the shot. With the first shot I was able to just sleep through it, but I didn’t get much sleep with the second shot. Today I have some residual achiness, but the worst of it is gone and I’m just tired from not sleeping much.

My arm wasn’t nearly as sore this time. The person who gave me my first vaccine didn’t give me any directions, but the person who gave me the second vaccine offered some and I followed them. She told me to move my arm around every half an hour. I don’t know if that’s why it was so much less sore, but there was a huge difference. It certainly seems to make sense. It never occurred to me with the first shot, I think mostly because the "sore arm" side effect just seemed like the least of my concerns so I didn't think about it until I had it and found it was actually rather painful. I was working, which for me involves siting mostly in one position hunched over a keyboard and my arms don't move much.

Her other directions were to drink lots of water (which I had already heard about and I do that normally anyway) and to only take Tylenol if needed after the shot and wait at least 24 hours before taking Ibuprofen. I knew you weren’t supposed to take it before the vaccine because there are concerns that its anti-inflammatory properties could interfere with the way the vaccine works and make it less effective, but I didn’t know how long you were supposed to wait afterward. Fortunately I didn’t take any until about 28 hours after my first shot, for a headache. This time I didn’t get the headache, so I didn’t take anything at all.

And if anybody’s looking for any other advice, I’d suggest keeping a glass or bottle of water near your bed that night, especially if you live alone. I was so very thirsty last night, but I felt dizzy and nauseous just walking to the bathroom and could only manage a couple handfuls of water out of the sink before I had to sit down on the floor. As much as I wanted something more substantial to drink from, the kitchen was a whole flight of stairs away and I couldn't muster up enough energy for that kind of a trek! I guess I ought to take that as a lesson to keep something in the bedroom or the bathroom in case I'm ever in a similar situation in the future.

216clamairy
apr 28, 2021, 9:02 pm

>215 YouKneeK: Glad you're feeling better. Sorry that it was rough, though. Even though it wasn't as bad as you were afraid it might be. Great advice on the water. I did take a water bottle to bed for the few days after the shot, but I don't keep one there. I should stash one somewhere.

217YouKneeK
apr 29, 2021, 6:26 am

>216 clamairy: Thanks! For the most part I didn’t feel too bad as long as I stayed lying in bed. Last night I got a good night’s sleep, so I feel much better.

You had more foresight than I did about the water! Last night I put a Contigo bottle filled with water next to my bed just in case, but never touched it. When I woke up, I emptied it out and decided to keep it in the bathroom. Hopefully if I ever need it, I’ll remember I have it. :)

218Busifer
apr 29, 2021, 9:47 am

>215 YouKneeK: >217 YouKneeK: Glad that you're feeling better. Most people whom I've talked to seems to have had it easier than you did.

For me, and for my husband, too, actually having covid meant waking up in the middle of the night, parched. Even if we drank water continuously throughout the day.

219YouKneeK
apr 29, 2021, 6:17 pm

>218 Busifer: Thanks! Ironically, I felt the opposite – like I had it easier than many people I’ve talked to. Most of my colleagues anyway have complained of having a fever and spending a day or two in bed. Maybe they just wanted a day off work! ;) My aunt didn’t have any issues with the second shot, but the first shot apparently made her so ill that she slept on the bathroom floor. I felt feverish, but my actual temperature was only half a degree higher than normal when I checked it. I only had maybe 8 unpleasant hours, and they weren't too bad as long as I stayed in bed. Even a typical cold is far more unpleasant than what I experienced from the vaccine.

That’s really interesting about Covid causing that parched reaction for you and your husband! I guess we should all be keeping things to drink out of near our beds these days if it’s a possible symptom of both the real virus and the vaccine. :)

220Busifer
apr 30, 2021, 4:30 am

>219 YouKneeK: Most have had next to no reaction at all, except maybe some stiffness/ache in the arm, or a day of - like you - only slight fever. You're the first I that I've heard mention the thirst, and I immediately thought back to how horribly thirsty I was when I was down with covid. So to me, yes, having a water close to bed after you've got your shot (or suspect having caught the virus) seems like very good advice.

221Karlstar
apr 30, 2021, 2:48 pm

>219 YouKneeK: Congrats and thanks for getting vaccinated! Glad it wasn't too bad for you.

222YouKneeK
apr 30, 2021, 5:25 pm

This is another random and non-book-related post. This morning over my breakfast, I can't even remember why, I went off on a mental tangent about how much I hate typing on mobile devices because it’s SO SLOW! I think I've ranted about it a few times here, too. This resulted in a Google search for a typing test, which I took on both my regular computer keyboard and my smartphone. I didn't have time to post the results this morning but now, after presenting the following evidence, I rest my case!

Although I admit taking the test on mobile wasn’t really comparable with a real-world mobile typing scenario. I’m probably a bit faster normally, but not much. Autocorrect didn’t work with this, and it didn’t automatically add the period or capitalize the first word in a new sentence like it normally would. I imagine there are tests out there that are better suited for mobile devices, but I’ve had all the mobile typing I can take for a while now so I'm settling for this ridiculous score. :p

If anybody’s curious which site I used, it was www.typingtest.com. It was pretty much the first thing that came up when I Googled. I took the 1-minute medium test. These were my first results in each format, so I found the exact 100wpm difference amusing. The keyboard test was my first time ever using the site.

Keyboard


Phone

223Karlstar
apr 30, 2021, 11:59 pm

>222 YouKneeK: You typed 670 characters without making an error!! I've been typing up some old notes lately and I can barely get through 2 sentences without doing 'ont he' instead of 'on the' or something similar.

224YouKneeK
mei 1, 2021, 8:01 am

>223 Karlstar:, Ha, no, there were lots of errors. I just fixed them as I typed, out of habit. If I'd ignored them, my speed would have been faster, but I suspect it would have penalized me more for the errors with my adjusted speed than the time it actually took me to fix them.

225MrsLee
mei 1, 2021, 2:25 pm

>222 YouKneeK: I've been wishing for an extremely lightweight typewriter I could use on my lap in the evenings to type letters. I don't have a wifi connected printer, and hate typing on a tablet/phone. My laptop gets too hot, and as I said, complicated to print from. A very small typewriter would be just the thing.

226YouKneeK
mei 1, 2021, 3:25 pm

>225 MrsLee: That would be an interesting way to bridge the gap! And with the advantage of getting your printed output immediately. You can also buy Bluetooth keyboards that work with tablets, so you can type with a more normal keyboard while using your tablet. That wouldn’t solve the problem of not having a wifi-connected printer, but I guess you could e-mail the document to yourself and then print it from wherever it’s most convenient.

227hfglen
mei 1, 2021, 3:38 pm

>225 MrsLee: I had one once, a baby Hermes. One day it needed fixing (probably no more than a good clean) so I took it to the local agent. The guy looked at it in blank disbelief, said "mein gootness, vot an ooold machine" (he was Swiss, like the typewriter) and tried to sell me the latest version, until I pointed out that the new one was three times the volume and four times the weight of mine. And when we extricated mine from the workshop where the technicians had been gawping at it, it worked, and I later wrote both M and PhD theses on it. (It was a 1952 model and this was 1970-ish, so he might have had a point.) Good luck hunting its twin.

228YouKneeK
mei 1, 2021, 8:11 pm

I’m probably about due for a new thread, and I have a new review to post, so this seems look a good time to start one. The new thread will be up soon, but please feel free to continue any discussions here if you want to!

229MrsLee
mei 1, 2021, 9:08 pm

>227 hfglen: Well, they are out there! But at $197+, I kind of want to see one in person first. Things to consider: do they still make ribbons for them? Stuff like that. Looks like there are other brands as well. I might have to get serious about this.
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