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1Thrin
Bewerkt: nov 13, 2009, 5:45 pm

Well, it seems we here in Australia will still be paying between 30 and 50 per cent more for many (particularly non-bestseller) books here than we would if we lived in, say, the UK or USA.
What an intelligent country. I've been supporting my local independent bookshop as much as I can, but using the library mostly because of book prices. There are many books the library doesn't have and I'm afraid that now I, like most others, shall be buying books online. Goodbye local independents?

2mrspenny
nov 13, 2009, 5:55 pm

I agree totally - I couldn't believe the Government would make that disgraceful decision - maybe this would be an effective issue to raise with each local federal MP in the next election campaign - The message should be conveyed to them that people feel very strongly about it!

3Lman
nov 13, 2009, 9:44 pm

I am in total agreement with you two - and not with the arguments publishers and authors used against changing the present (antiquated and ridiculous) import laws; such as with the argument of a flood of remainder books hitting our shores (especially as we get that now anyway; if we are lucky). I watched a debate about it at the Press Club on ABC1, the day the announcement was made. I was quite devastated when I heard the decision...

I was hoping to be able to buy locally again; it will be TBD or mooching for me now. Even the used book stores have lost a lot of my business as their books are often more expensive than what I pay for new from on-line stores!

4wookiebender
nov 14, 2009, 2:47 am

Okay, for those of us who have spent the last few days in a whirl of preparing a birthday party for a certain seven year old boy, can you please give me a link as to what this is all about? I haven't seen the news or read a paper for too long.

5bernsad
Bewerkt: nov 14, 2009, 3:39 am

hey wookie,
try this search on the Age , ignore the first result (don' tknow what that is) but the rest might give you some idea.

6Thrin
nov 14, 2009, 4:01 am

7digifish_books
nov 14, 2009, 4:01 am

The price of music CDs and DVDs in Aus has fallen to more sensible levels over the last few years. But not books :( Perhaps when the Kindle (and other e-reader devices) arrive here there will be more pressure to reduce book prices and greater competition? Dunno. Meanwhile, it is the library, Project Gutenberg or the TBD for me!

8digifish_books
nov 14, 2009, 4:20 am

I'm sure it has been mentioned before on LT but I use this site a lot for price comparisons http://booko.com.au/

9Thrin
nov 14, 2009, 4:49 am

Thanks for that link digfish. I didn't know about it.

10justjim
nov 14, 2009, 6:13 am

Seconded, digifish. That is a cool website and the checks I did with some of the books lying around me just shows that I'm right, if unpatriotic, to be using TBD as much as I do.

11amandameale
nov 14, 2009, 8:18 am

Peter Carey's new novel is selling for $54.95!!!!!!!!!!! There is NO WAY I will pay that price for a novel.

12TedWitham
nov 14, 2009, 8:58 am

$43.45 through booko.com.au. But I agree: it's still a lot to pay for a book.

13omaca
nov 14, 2009, 9:13 am

What a joke.

I'm presuming you are referring to Parrot and Olivier in America.

You can order this from Book Depository (direct book link here) for STG13.49. That's A$24.14 at today's exchange rates.

And they will ship it to you, half-way across the globe. for FREE.

I like to support local businesses, but I find crap like this hard to stomach. And when folks like Carey write opinion pieces complaining about how allowing parallel importing will cost jobs, or prevent authors like him becoming successful, I just get annoyed.

Forty three dollars from a local bookshop.
TWENTY FOUR dollars, delivered, from a store on the other side of the planet.

I'm sorry Peter, but get fu... erm, stuffed.

14digifish_books
Bewerkt: nov 14, 2009, 5:55 pm

Another gripe I have is the postal rates for parcels in Australia. It has had a negative effect on buying and selling books on auctions sites such as eBay or OZtion. If a book weighs up to 500g the postage is $5.70, but more than 500g (and up to 3kg) costs $9.90.

15Seanie
nov 14, 2009, 6:08 pm

I would like to support local businesses & especially local authors that I love, but my finances mean if I want to keep adding to my book collection I have to find the cheapest option. So most of the time I go to www.bookfinder.com , it searches a heap of online stores & lists all matches to your search available & you can sort it my price including shipping to your destination. I'd definitely recommend it.

16tandah
Bewerkt: nov 14, 2009, 6:19 pm

Recommend Brother of St Lawrence's site for fantastic value on 2nd hard books (even 'fair' conditions is very good) ... www.BrotherhoodBooks.org.au

17Lman
Bewerkt: nov 16, 2009, 4:42 am

>16 tandah:
I have found that site too from, of course, another LibraryThing member Marianne. The postage is reasonable; the books are fantastic!
I've placed three orders so far...

Umm...tandah; why are we sharing this? There won't be any left for us... :)

edited to spell the name correctly (I hate that)

18guido47
nov 15, 2009, 3:20 am

Too Late, #17 I've already ordered (and paid for 4 books) The range is a bit oldish but the price...
I have also used the UK Book depository and 3 books (very large and heavy)
which would have cost me over $300 (including postage from Aussi to Europe)
ended costing about $100.
I wonder how long they can offer free postage?

19justjim
nov 15, 2009, 3:38 am

I wonder how long they can offer free postage?

I don't know, but if you look at that little animated graphic thingy they've got about who's order what from where, they aren't going to go broke anytime soon. Those orders are flying in (and out).

20tandah
nov 15, 2009, 5:02 pm

Hi Lman, yes ... I did have a slight pause, but hey, it's nearly Christmas and a little of the spirit of giving washed over me ... and your little note made me smile, thank you.

21bluetyson
nov 15, 2009, 8:29 pm

On the free postage thing - presumably most of their orders are from their UK operations to the UK, or Europe - and from their US operation to the US, so their free postage costs in general will be much lower than what we expect when we get one.

So in effect, Northern Hemisphere subsidising us rather than the usual other way around! :)

22guido47
nov 15, 2009, 9:56 pm

My 3 books (OK. really heavy) would have costed me $75 postage from here.

23Lman
nov 16, 2009, 4:49 am

> 22
Not sure if that accentuates how expensive postage is here; or how lucky we are to be subsidised from the north (as blue mentioned).

From BookMooch I know how expensive it is to send one lousy average paperback to the UK, air mail: $11.00 if it is under 250g but $18.70 if over 250g (and most are).

It certainly makes TBD fantastic value, what with the free shipping, and the price the books cost with our great exchange rate. As it could all change rapidly, that is my excuse to buy now! I love their pre-order price too.

24bluetyson
Bewerkt: nov 16, 2009, 5:27 am

Yeah, don't wait, because we all know dollar plunges can happen!

The pound particularly weak too - US dollar rates have been this high before, but don't remember the pommie one being so.

25Lman
Bewerkt: nov 16, 2009, 5:39 am

I don't remember such a good exchange rate with AUD vs the pound either...

add: bluetyson: it is you I have to thank for finding about TBD btw! Thank YOU!

26amandameale
nov 16, 2009, 7:04 am

#13 omaca: Thanks!

27pamelad
nov 17, 2009, 4:22 am

Lman, if your book is thin enough you can send it as an airmail letter for $6.30. If you pack a small-medium paperback in a toughbag instead of a padded postpack, it can usually fit through the slot the PO uses for testing the thickness.

28digifish_books
Bewerkt: nov 17, 2009, 5:24 am

The November edition of 'Choice' magazine has an article on online shopping for books, CDs, DVDs, cosmetics, etc. For online book buying The Book Depository got an overall score of 95% (based on product range, prices, speed of delivery, etc.) Amazon US came second (84%) and Booktopia third (81%).

29Lman
nov 17, 2009, 6:35 am

>27 pamelad: pamelad
Oh, don't worry - I do all that - weigh them B4, have the Aust. Post calculator open and calculating as I wrap and weigh and re-pack...but books of a certain thickness will not fit through that slot - no matter how they are packed.

But thank you for the helpful hints. :) I already use every trick in the book I know to lower my postage costs (eww..bad pun). I am always pleasantly surprised (what am I saying - I'm ecstatic;fists pump the air) when they fall through that slot!

digifish - it was a good article yes? Not surprising....

30Lman
nov 18, 2009, 7:06 am

I just visited The Book Depository tonight and they now offer prices in AUD!
I wonder if that means no exchange rate costs on the credit card too?

If so, it just gets better... it was a bit disconcerting at first; couldn't get my head around the new prices. LOL.

31digifish_books
nov 18, 2009, 7:16 am

>30 Lman: I noticed that too (about the AUD prices), Lyn. I think you can still click and select (and buy) in British pounds if you don't like the exchange rate they are using. I think their current rate is 0.55 British pounds which is on par with the banks.

32pinkozcat
nov 18, 2009, 7:19 am

I think that it is just so that you don't have to do the arithmetic. Amazon.uk does the same thing but I doubt if the banks will relinquish their cut and the money has to end up in the currency of the country you are buying from.

33alexdaw
nov 18, 2009, 7:30 am

Hi everyone

Incredibly late joining this discussion but I'm so glad we're having it. It is a real dilemma isn't it? I too have been using the local library in an attempt to control my book buying and it works to a degree. The local library is incredibly good value given that you can have up to 20 books at a time. I'm constantly ordering books at 80cents a hold which is of course much cheaper than buying them. However recently I enrolled in a course and would like to own the textbooks. It's just a little course so I only need 2 or 3 books thank goodness. Book Depository without question is cheaper = sometimes by 50 per cent. If I was a full-time student there would be no question of where I would get the books. Having said that, I went to Mary Ryan's in Milton last night for a book launch and promptly bought three books. The stock looked fantastic - what a beautiful store!! Nothing beats picking up a book and really looking at it - very bad for impulse buying. To control myself (and if I have time) I order it from the library to see if I really want it/need it. I really like independent bookstores and suspect if we didn't have these controls we'd be seeing more big chain bookstores. Perhaps next time I go into a bookstore I should ask them what it's all about....

34Lman
nov 19, 2009, 1:45 am

>32 pinkozcat:
If they charge your credit card in AUD then there is no exchange rate TO charge - so that will mean over 3% less cost for me.

>31 digifish_books:
Good point Laura - need to check the exchange rate, each time, but hopefully it will be the same as banks and credit cards; and is going by the prices I saw.

35guido47
nov 19, 2009, 7:40 am

Dear Group,

I have just been tempted to buy the "Complete National Geographic Magazine on DVD". The price was an insane $US50. I have lusted after it for years, back when it was on 30 CD's for approx $300.

This is a new "...all improved product with..."

I filled out the order form UNTIL they revealed the shipping cost. $US60.

How can posting 6 DVD's cost $60? Oh yes "4 to 6 weeks delivery time".

My back went up and I baulked. But the total package (with "all new features") is still tantalizing...

Can lust overtake anger?

Guido.

PS. Not sure if you get 6 *free* steak knives with the deal.

36shawjonathan
nov 19, 2009, 8:20 pm

>35 guido47: The US Post Office no longer offers international surface mail, which means postage rates from there can be very steep.

37shawjonathan
Bewerkt: nov 19, 2009, 9:01 pm

I get a little uneasy about discussions of how cheaply books can be bought. This piece by a New York Times best-seller listed author on her earnings, including an image of her royalty statement, makes it hard to resent authors fighting to preserve their incomes. It's at http://www.straightgoods.ca/2009/ViewBrief.cfm?Ref=187

38pinkozcat
nov 19, 2009, 9:18 pm

Only best-seling authors can live off their royalties earnings; the rest need a second job to keep the wolf from the door. It has always been so but I don't think that the high prices in Australia reflect anything but the profits gleaned by the agents and the booksellers.

I buy my books from England where the postage, although steep, is not quite as exhorbitant as the US mail rates. However, the exchange rate with the $US is almost at parity at the moment so now is a good time to buy from there. I doubt if it will ever be cheaper.

39omaca
nov 20, 2009, 1:12 am

> 38 pinkozcat

Why not use BookDepository, and get your P&P for free?

40pinkozcat
nov 20, 2009, 3:20 am

I do sometimes. I buy a lot of books and sometimes the Bookdepository doesn't have what I want. I received three books from Amazon.co.uk today and the postage was £13.99, one book was £5.49, one £4.09 and the other, a Christmas present for my son-in-law, was £12.99.

The Aussie dollar is worth about 55p at the moment so my three books cost me about $AU70.00, all in all about $AU23 each. They took 10 days to arrive ...

41JessamyJane
feb 23, 2010, 3:46 am

Hi, for what it's worth Better World Books are also worth a look - they deal in new and secondhand books, and their postage is a flat $3.97US to Australia. Better still, the profits are used to find global literacy campaigns - have a look at http://www.betterworldbooks.com/

42spectralbat
apr 16, 2010, 12:15 am

I've recently stopped purchasing books from physical bookshops here in Perth for this reason and started getting second hand copies online from places like AbeBooks and only buying from shops if I have a discount voucher. Borders often emails 30-50% Off vouchers and such.

43pinkozcat
apr 16, 2010, 12:40 am

Dymocks and Collins have loyalty discounts and I use them to the limit but buy more and more online.

I get an occasional surprise doing it that way - Tami Hoag started life as a bodice-ripper writer and I managed to get a couple of them along with some of her murder/thriller-type books. They were pretty dreadful but someone will probably enjoy them when I wild release them

44digifish_books
okt 7, 2010, 8:55 pm

For some reason the Book Depository sites haven't updated the AUD exchange rates to match the current (higher) rates.

According to my quick calculations they are giving only 0.59 British Pence and 0.93 US on the US site. The current rates are approx. 0.61 British Pence and 0.98 US cents. May be better off buying in original currencies?

45Lman
okt 8, 2010, 7:11 pm

44: Yes, I was wondering that too; except I use a credit card and that adds another few % back on (I can never remember exactly how much: 1-2% possibly) so it would probably work out the same. And the exchange rate with all these other credit companies is a bit iffy too.

Still; I bought (pre-order) the latest David Mitchell (paperback) SOOOO cheaply ~ $6 - that I don't mind. All their prices have increased due to the economies in US and UK - I think. Plus with AUD I know exactly how much it is going to cost me in total. If you can get pre-order books (and they only offer so many) they are often 50% off their price - and then they may only be 25% reduced. Even that, compared to our local prices, is unbelievable!

It is interesting though, isn't it?!

46omaca
Bewerkt: okt 21, 2010, 10:22 am

Remember there are *significant* differences between the prices on their ".co.uk" site and their ".com" site.

One example. Desolation Road on their UK site is $14.46 (http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/book/9781591027447/Desolation-Road), but on their US site is $10.49 (http://www.bookdepository.com/book/9781591027447/Desolation-Road).

That's nearly a 30% difference.

I recommend you buy from the US site, or (as I do sometimes) mix and match from their UK and US site.

No matter what, the prices are way WAY cheaper than we pay here in Australia.

$21.95 at Dymocks (http://www.dymocks.com.au/ProductDetails/ProductDetail.aspx?R=9781591027447)

$32 at Abbeys (http://www.abbeys.com.au/book/desolation-road-mars-01.do)

Sorry, but that's a complete f**king scandal. 300% higher prices?!!!

And this from someone who once earned $300 "reward dollars" from Abbeys in one year; meaning I spent over $3,000 there in 12 months. So it's not as if I don't want to support local shops.

The book prices in this country are a thundering disgrace.

47Thrin
okt 21, 2010, 6:32 pm

>46 omaca: Thanks for that post, omaca. Who couldn't agree with you that book prices here in Australia are, indeed, a 'thundering disgrace'? Like you I've been trying to support the independents, but it's the local library or Book Depository for me from now on.

48Lman
okt 22, 2010, 8:22 pm

Interestingly enough - with the exchange rates being what they are now, the UK and US sites have become somewhat similar.
But like omaca I have both sites open at once and 'compare the pair' - allowing even more savings as you say!
The other good thing is your account is connected between the two so your order history shows both! Not your wish-list though...

I have to agree completely with all your sentiments omaca; I tried to support local but the difference is just too ridiculous to ignore. I was quite devastated with the failure of a change to this in parliament - and I just can't understand why so many Australian authors supported the decision to uphold local monopolies and thus wanted us to pay these exorbitant prices from local publishers. *sigh*

As an add to previous posts - the books have become even cheaper now adjusting to the latest exchange rates - on both sites. :)

49russwood
nov 30, 2010, 10:15 pm

One of the things that annoys me is editions / reprints of fiction books priced WAY above their original price. When books are made into movies, there seems to be a trend by publishers to cash-in on the film's release and publish a new edition, with a new movie tie-in cover, and push the price up. The Marsden "Tomorrow" series is one example I've noticed. The first paperbacks were priced around $8.99 - $10.99. These editions are now $14.95 - $16.95 in the chain bookstores. However, the tie-in editions, with only a different cover to distinguish them, are priced at $18.95. Why? I think the term is "price gouging."

Thankfully the pre-movie paperbacks are still available at TBD for under $10.

50digifish_books
dec 20, 2010, 4:05 am

Just lately I've found Fishpond to be slightly cheaper than TBD as they now offer free shipping (not sure if its permanent...?).

51Thrin
dec 20, 2010, 5:40 am

>50 digifish_books:.... Thanks for that info.

52seadog
dec 26, 2010, 10:58 pm

Even electronic books are more expensive in Australia. Don't even bother looking at Borders Australian site for eBooks - the prices are ridiculous. The Apple store still has a long way to go before it is a proper ebook store. It is still be more expensive than Amazon for the small number of titles available.

53davybhoy
dec 29, 2010, 6:20 pm

I've come into this discussion extraordinarily late - only 13 months behind most of the posts!! - and can only agree with much of what I have read above.

However I am surprised that no-one has at least mentioned that shops such as K Mart, Target & Big W offer massive discounts on their books. This particularly applies to new "best sellers".

In the small town that I live in, there is a local bookshop which has a pretty good range of stock but when I can buy the same stock $20 cheaper 3kms up the road at K Mart, why would I? I buy probably 50-60 books a year so that translates to about $1000 in savings

54fnqteacher
dec 31, 2010, 6:42 pm

Thanks for the link digfish. I am so frustrated by the price of books in Australia. I have been buying books for my classroom library and for professional development. I was given an Angus and Robertson book token by a work colleague. First, their selection of books is pathetic. Second, it is not very straightforward to order (in fact after setting up my on-line account I gave up trying to order as it would not process). Third, the prices are ridiculous. A book I wanted by Marie Clay on taking running records was US$16 from Amazon US, compared to $AU46 from A&R. The Book Depository is easy to use, has good prices and good stock. I don't know how Australian book sellers are managing to keep selling books.

55dajashby
jan 2, 2011, 6:13 pm

We had one of those books by the metre shops in the main drag, and they didn't last. They now are a Dymock's outlet. Never been in, I presume they are a bit like A&R, which (in the city outlet I have visited) is poorly stocked and sparsely staffed.

We are handy to no less than three independent bookshops, and they all seem to be thriving. I put it down to the whole "atmosphere" thing. You start at the window display. Our regular shop is very well located for passing traffic and he displays carefully chosen books - thus he recently had the Keith Richards and Paul Kelly biographies but no sign of John Howard. He wants to entice people in, not have them move right along, and he knows the local demographic.

Once in the door, well, you start to browse. You just can't get that sensual experience on line. There's a big children's section, current best sellers and staff recommendations prominently displayed, stocking fillers at the counter, even some seats (if you want coffee you have to go next door, which is where you see Steve conferring with the publishers' reps).

And of course there's the frequent buyer's points scheme. And when you go to redeem your points, you're not seriously going to spend just $25 are you?

We have now worked out a satisfactory compromise. Steve will get things in, but if we want something published by Harvard University Press with a RRP of $100, then it's BookDepository and we don't mind the wait. But for instant gratification,say for the latest Alexander McCall Smith (there being a queue of 17 for the library's two copies), or if we want inspiration for a present, we shop locally.

56pamelad
Bewerkt: feb 13, 2011, 4:52 am

Betterworld Books is now sending books to Australia postage-free. I'm addicted to the Bargain Bin: when you buy four or more books they're $3 each.

The used books I've received from Betterworld haven't all been in fabulous condition, but at the very least they're good reading copies.

ETA The Bargain Bin is up to $5. I had a binge this morning at $3, so it's woth keeping an eye out.

57socialpages
feb 16, 2011, 2:27 am

Did you say "Bargain Bin"? I'm off to check out Betterworld Books. Love a bargain, especially one that's postage free!

58australwind
feb 17, 2011, 10:27 pm

Booktopia.com.au are advertising a sale as well - for those who like online shopping there are 137 pages of specials!

Dirt Cheap Books in Melbourne are advertising an email customers warehouse sale - 3 books for $10 from the warehouse stock only. You are required to produce a copy of the email but they have advised that its ok to forward it to friends so message me fro a copy if you want to shop over the next four days of this sale!

Wonder what sort of clearance specials we are likely to see with Angus & Robertson and Borders having opted for voluntary receivership?

59pinkozcat
feb 17, 2011, 11:00 pm

I had an email from Borders/Kobo yesterday which said that they intend to keep on trading.

At the moment Kobo has a 20% off deal on as many e-books as one likes to buy. I am stocking up ...

60guido47
feb 18, 2011, 12:22 am

Got a post from Amazon UK saying that postage for all orders over 25 pounds (quid) to Aussi is now free. Pressure from "Book Depository"?

61TineOliver
Bewerkt: feb 18, 2011, 12:56 am

58: Most likely very little (administration is not the same liquidation). The administrators will look for a buyer, either for the group as a whole or just the profitable stores (closing those losing money) or try to sell groups of stores to various buyers. During that time, it will be 'business as usual'.

Only if (a) buyer(s) can't be found in a reasonable period of time will you start to see any real clearance specials.

62australwind
feb 18, 2011, 3:46 am

@61 - Business as usual?

Last time I looked, it was not necessary to engage security guards to protect staff from angry customers who, when trying to redeem gift vouchers, were told they had to spend twice the value of the card before the cards would be honoured...

It is interesting that Bill Shorten seems to think its the fault of the retailers not keeping up with the changes in technology and that the advent of the internet, ebook readers, online sales etc were going to send these retailers to the wall anyway! Apparently this is the "level playing field" at work!

63pinkozcat
feb 18, 2011, 6:56 am

I received this this morning:

http://ebm.e.borders.com/c/tag/hBNXHcHAQfEXsB8Y8LtNsljdoUH/doc.html?t_params=I_B...

I hope that the link works ...

64agneson9
Bewerkt: feb 18, 2011, 7:49 am

@63 I'm pretty sure that Borders AU and US are separate.
@60 How about the per item charge?

65australwind
feb 18, 2011, 7:39 am

The link works fine, pinkozcat, but I think you will find that it relates to the US operation.

The Australian Borders and Angus and Robertson operations are a different company - they are owned by Redgroup who have called in the administrators here. The franchised A&R stores are apparently 'unaffected' but the company owned stores are now subject to Australian company law... not the Chapter 11 (or was it 13?) conditions for trading as referenced in the statement issued by Borders US.

66Lman
Bewerkt: feb 18, 2011, 7:45 am

>63 pinkozcat: The link works very well! :)
I just hope the promise about the gift cards works as well.

Needless to say, I have one I would like to use... *sigh*

Add: there is an article in the SMH stating that customers here must buy books double to the amount of the card to redeem the gift amount. :(

67australwind
feb 18, 2011, 7:42 am

@64 - They certainly are separate companies and both lots are in trouble!!!

It would appear that the decision taken by the American company tipped the scales here...and Redgroup pulled the plug.

68agneson9
feb 18, 2011, 7:50 am

I would shop at Borders if the prices were decent, but alas...

69pinkozcat
feb 18, 2011, 8:30 am

#68 I only buy e-books from them and they have many, many discount sales. There is one at the moment with 20% off as many e-books as one wants to buy. I am stocking up while the going is good.

70TineOliver
feb 19, 2011, 11:52 pm

62: my comment was in response to whether there would be clearance sales; of course it's a fact that when companies appoint administrators that some things have to change, clearly it's a very emotional time for many people involved.

I'm not sure whether I agree with the gift card action, and while I can understand customers being angry, I hardly think it's fair to take that anger out on store staff, many of whom will be worried about their jobs.

71Bikebear
Bewerkt: mrt 8, 2011, 4:39 am

A&R Town Hall Square (Sydney) had a 50% off sale on Saturday, maybe still running if there is any worth while stock still on the shelves.

72hazeljune
mrt 12, 2011, 8:40 pm

I very seldom buy a new book, I use my local municipal library and also haunt the op shops, and markets, plus garage sales, I have purchased some real gems.
My latest enquiry with Angus and Robertson was that if they mailed me the book that I wanted they would charge me $10 postage!!!.The novel itself was worth $16.

Since then I have bitten the bullet and intend to buy on-line using my own special credit card. There are some real bargains out there, my first has just been a Fanny Frewen novel that was not available at my library.

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