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On Saudi Arabia: Its People, Past, Religion, Fault Lines - and Future

door Karen Elliott House

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From the Pulitzer Prizeâ??winning reporter who has spent the last thirty years writing about Saudi Arabiaâ??as diplomatic correspondent, foreign editor, and then publisher of The Wall Street Journalâ??an important and timely book that explores all facets of life in this shrouded Kingdom: its tribal past, its complicated present, its precarious future.
Through observation, anecdote, extensive interviews, and analysis Karen Elliot House navigates the maze in which Saudi citizens find themselves trapped and reveals the mysterious nation that is the worldâ??s largest exporter of oil, critical to global stability, and a source of Islamic terrorists.
In her probing and sharp-eyed portrait, we see Saudi Arabia, one of the last absolute monarchies in the world, considered to be the final bulwark against revolution in the region, as threatened by multiple fissures and forces, its levers of power controlled by a handful of elderly Al Saud princes with an average age of 77 years and an extended family of some 7,000 princes. Yet at least 60 percent of the increasingly restive population they rule is under the age of 20.
The author writes that oil-rich Saudi Arabia has become a rundown welfare state. The public pays no taxes; gets free education and health care; and receives subsidized water, electricity, and energy (a gallon of gasoline is cheaper in the Kingdom than a bottle of water), with its petrodollars buying less and less loyalty. House makes clear that the royal family also uses Islamâ??s requirement of obedience to Allahâ??and by extension to earthly rulersâ??to perpetuate Al Saud rule.
Behind the Saudi facade of order and obedience, todayâ??s Saudi youth, frustrated by social conformity, are reaching out to one another and to a wider world beyond their cloistered country. Some 50 percent of Saudi youth is on the Internet; 5.1 million Saudis are on Facebook.
To write this book, the author interviewed most of the key members of the very private royal family. She writes about King Abdullahâ??s modest efforts to relax some of the kingdomâ??s most oppressive social restrictions; women are now allowed to acquire photo ID cards, finally giving them an identity independent from their male guardians, and are newly able to register their own businesses but are still forbidden to drive and are barred from most jobs.
With extraordinary access to Saudisâ??from key religious leaders and dissident imams to women at university and impoverished widows, from government officials and political dissidents to young successful Saudis and those who chose the path of terrorismâ??House argues that most Saudis do not want democracy but seek change nevertheless; they want a government that provides basic services without subjecting citizens to the indignity of begging princes for handouts; a government less corrupt and more transparent in how it spends hundreds of billions of annual oil revenue; a kingdom ruled by law, not royal whim.
In Houseâ??s assessment of Saudi Arabiaâ??s future, she compares the country today to the Soviet Union before Mikhail Gorbachev arrived with reform policies that proved too little too late after decades of stagnation under one aged and infirm Soviet leader after another. She discusses what the next generation of royal princes might bring and the choices the kingdom faces: continued economic and social stultification with growing risk of instability, or an opening of society to individual initiative and enterprise with the risk that this, too, undermines the Al Saud hold on power.
A riveting bookâ??informed, authoritative, illu
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On a Friday evening, with excitement and hopes to read an interesting book, I took this book by Karen Elliot.

In her preface, she claimed to be in touch with this country for over 30 years. Unfortunately, she delivers a mix of Wikipedia injected with American media narrative with steroids.

If you’ve watched power puff girls, the cartoon starts with Professor Utonium mixing sugar, spice and everything nice. He stirs all the ingredients and poof, Power Puff Girls appear (drum rolls). In a similar fashion, Wikipedia, Fox News CNBC and inject a bad narrative — poof this book appears.

The more I read, I became disappointed. If you walk over to an Average Joe in the West, he would regurgitate the same info and narrative of this book. Unfortunately, if this is where people in the West learn about a society which is non-Western, I say it’s bad scholarship.

I do not practice Islam. However, I want to take an effort in understanding a culture which I am not familiar. I'd rather not paint a narrative. Eg: "Wahhab preached a pure version of his Islam" Well, I am ignorant on various theological factions of Islam.

I am a non-Westerner reading this book. I am also a non-Saudi. I am a casual yet extremely curious observer of other-cultures. I wish, I could hear what a scholar who grew up in the Middle East comment on this society. A Scholar who has lived in both worlds.

Oh, I can think of Patrick Smith who wrote a book on, "Somebody Else's Century." He's a Westerner living in Asia (China, Japan, India). He was able to understand Asia (China, Japan, India) far more than any Westerner that I have encountered.

Patrick was more aware of intricate social concepts which are absent in the West.

I would not recommend this book to learn about Saudi Arabia. I am not sure what to recommend.

Deus Vult,
Gottfried ( )
  gottfried_leibniz | Jun 25, 2021 |
Excellent overview of a country on-the-edge and a country which the West cannot afford to ignore. A former WSJ foreign correspondent House has done her homework. This is a well written book that should be read by anyone who pays attention to the news. ( )
  Steve_Walker | Sep 13, 2020 |
There are several messages in this book all pointing to problems. None of them are at the boiling point, but the combination is in danger of coalescing to a crisis.
- The royal line is old, numerous, and almost powerless in effecting change.
- Royal succession has been contentious and will continue to be a problem.
- There are a ton of princes.
- Some of the people live in extreme poverty.
- The young men don't want to work except at cushy government jobs.
- The people have a sense of entitlement.
- Large handouts don't improve the prospects for country stability, they only reinforce the entitlement mentality.
- Since working is beneath the Saudi, most of the non-government jobs are filled by foreigners.
- The unemployment rate is sky high; for 20-24 year olds 39% (45.5% for women and 30.3% for men).
- Women aren't allowed in most jobs because they might come in contact with men.
- The educational system is really bad (teaching is unacceptable to the Saudi young men, and the women aren't allowed to teach classes with male students).
- Religion dominates their lives.
- The religious system is oppressive.
- Religion was used by the government to control the people.
- Religion hampers the government's ability to improve the country.
- Religious study squeezes out secular study & is largely memorization.
- Religious police are viewed by the author as a massive damper on improving the lot of the people.
- Religious leaders are divided along the radical - conservative spectrum.
- The Internet makes it easy for the young to see the conflicts, inequity, and ineffectiveness of their government...
- An exception (in many ways) is Saudi ARAMCO.

Many of these points were reiterated throughout the book perhaps to make sure that the reader didn't miss them. The reiteration was not annoying, but came across more as elaboration on a theme or as weaving themes together.

A few interesting statements.

"This resignation to living under corrupt temporal leaders and focusing not on improving life on earth but rather on securing a better life in the hereafter helps explain why oppressive and greedy rulers reign for so long in so many Arab countries." (Page 29)

"If Westerners love individualism, most Saudis are literally frightened at the mere thought of being different. To be different is to attract attention. To attract attention is to invite envy from peers and anger from family." (Page 31)


"The average age of the king and crown prince is 83, yet, as already noted, 60 percent of Saudis are under twenty. "(Page 221) Thus, they have very different value. How can those leaders satisfy the desires of the youthful population?

"Saudi Arabia is like a rich schoolboy and teacher's pet that seeks to mask his dependence on the teacher's protection by currying favor with the schoolyard bullies. While he goes to great lengths to avoid being seen as the teacher's pet, he also frets that the teacher will be upset at the bad company he is keeping. As a result, he is not respected or trusted by anyone." (Page 230)

The last few chapters sum it all up, so if you are not up to reading the whole thing, just read the end. However, the whole book is written in an interesting style.
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1 stem bread2u | Jul 1, 2020 |
I have read a few books on the middle east and studied middle eastern history in college 30 years ago. So, not much of an expert. With that caveat I found the book to be highly enlightening. Especially found the chapters discussing the current and future prognoses for a shift in the role of the monarchy cause for concern. Although long a stable ally to the US the book highlighted the true precariousness of that view. I very much liked the chapter on the attempts of the Saud to rehabilitate the young jihadi. A well written book the doesn't seem to varnish or pull punches. ( )
  wrevans | Jun 21, 2014 |
A solid overview of the Kingdom of the House of Saud, covering topics such as the role of religion, the Wahhabi sect, the role of women, economic inequality, foreign labor importation, and of course, oil. Saudi Arabia as a US-backed absolute monarchic counterweight to Iran, although relations have been more than a bit strained over the past few years. Her characterization of Saudi Arabia as a gerontocracy, similar to that of the stagnant Soviet Union in the 1980s, is particularly apt - the reining monarch and some of his immediate successors are 60 years of age - and half the population is 20 or younger.

The only (very minor) flaw I have is that the author has a tendency to use mixed metaphor - Saudi Arabia is a shadow, a labyrinth, a wall, etc. This is only a matter of personal preference, however, and I found this to be a very solid introduction to a complex place. ( )
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From the Pulitzer Prizeâ??winning reporter who has spent the last thirty years writing about Saudi Arabiaâ??as diplomatic correspondent, foreign editor, and then publisher of The Wall Street Journalâ??an important and timely book that explores all facets of life in this shrouded Kingdom: its tribal past, its complicated present, its precarious future.
Through observation, anecdote, extensive interviews, and analysis Karen Elliot House navigates the maze in which Saudi citizens find themselves trapped and reveals the mysterious nation that is the worldâ??s largest exporter of oil, critical to global stability, and a source of Islamic terrorists.
In her probing and sharp-eyed portrait, we see Saudi Arabia, one of the last absolute monarchies in the world, considered to be the final bulwark against revolution in the region, as threatened by multiple fissures and forces, its levers of power controlled by a handful of elderly Al Saud princes with an average age of 77 years and an extended family of some 7,000 princes. Yet at least 60 percent of the increasingly restive population they rule is under the age of 20.
The author writes that oil-rich Saudi Arabia has become a rundown welfare state. The public pays no taxes; gets free education and health care; and receives subsidized water, electricity, and energy (a gallon of gasoline is cheaper in the Kingdom than a bottle of water), with its petrodollars buying less and less loyalty. House makes clear that the royal family also uses Islamâ??s requirement of obedience to Allahâ??and by extension to earthly rulersâ??to perpetuate Al Saud rule.
Behind the Saudi facade of order and obedience, todayâ??s Saudi youth, frustrated by social conformity, are reaching out to one another and to a wider world beyond their cloistered country. Some 50 percent of Saudi youth is on the Internet; 5.1 million Saudis are on Facebook.
To write this book, the author interviewed most of the key members of the very private royal family. She writes about King Abdullahâ??s modest efforts to relax some of the kingdomâ??s most oppressive social restrictions; women are now allowed to acquire photo ID cards, finally giving them an identity independent from their male guardians, and are newly able to register their own businesses but are still forbidden to drive and are barred from most jobs.
With extraordinary access to Saudisâ??from key religious leaders and dissident imams to women at university and impoverished widows, from government officials and political dissidents to young successful Saudis and those who chose the path of terrorismâ??House argues that most Saudis do not want democracy but seek change nevertheless; they want a government that provides basic services without subjecting citizens to the indignity of begging princes for handouts; a government less corrupt and more transparent in how it spends hundreds of billions of annual oil revenue; a kingdom ruled by law, not royal whim.
In Houseâ??s assessment of Saudi Arabiaâ??s future, she compares the country today to the Soviet Union before Mikhail Gorbachev arrived with reform policies that proved too little too late after decades of stagnation under one aged and infirm Soviet leader after another. She discusses what the next generation of royal princes might bring and the choices the kingdom faces: continued economic and social stultification with growing risk of instability, or an opening of society to individual initiative and enterprise with the risk that this, too, undermines the Al Saud hold on power.
A riveting bookâ??informed, authoritative, illu

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