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Meld je aan bij LibraryThing om erachter te komen of je dit boek goed zult vinden. Op dit moment geen Discussie gesprekken over dit boek. This book takes the "legend" of Pope Joan and investigates the truth or fiction of her existence. Despite much evidence to the contrary, the author believes that she truly did exist and was perhaps pope for a period of time in the middle of the 9th century. This is an interesting complement to the novel, Pope Joan. Zum einen ist das Buch hoch interessant und sehr gut recherchiert. Der Autor lässt sich nicht zu Mutmaßungen darüber hinreißen, ob Päpstin Johanna erfunden ist, oder tatsächlich gelebt hat. Stattdessen überprüft er alle möglichen Quellen und versucht diverse, im Laufe der Zeit aufgestellte Thesen über die Päpstin und den Wirklichkeitsgehalt ihrer Legende zu beweisen oder zu widerlegen. Trotzdem ist das Buch sehr persönlich gehalten. Der Autor schildert persönliche Eindrücke, Reisen, Interviews und erzählt auch von der Konsultation einer Kartenlegerin, um mehr über die Tarotfigur der Päpstin zu erfahren. Letztendlich muss er zugeben, die Existenz der Päpstin nicht beweisen zu können, aber doch davon überzeugt zu sein. Ausschlaggebend hierfür sind nicht nur die Quellen, die er gefunden hat, sondern auch, dass ein psychologisches Profil, dass ein bekannter Psychologe über Johanna erstellt hat, die Motivationen Päpstin schlüssig erklärt. Was leider offen bleibt, ist, welcher Teil von Johannas Geschichte wahr sind und welche dazu erfunden. geen besprekingen | voeg een bespreking toe
Peter Stanford speculates whether Pope Joan, an early 9th century pope was real and reveals what can, and cannot, be known about the extraordinary person behind the story. Geen bibliotheekbeschrijvingen gevonden. |
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As history, the accounts of Pope Joan presented here are incomplete and scattered in such a fashion that this book is useless as a historical reference. Nowhere does he put all the quotations from authorities in order and with full quotations and proper citations. (Chapter two comes close, but, again it is scattershot and full of journalistic/personal interpretations and asides.) There is a "Bibliography" that is really just a "Suggestions for Further Reading," and there are endnotes, but they are a mess. Some things aren't cited in the text, some are poorly cited. Many citations are incomplete. Many others refer to a previous citation instead of giving a shortened form of citation! Annoying! (E.g.: "See chapter 3, note 7.")
And, it's hard to take a "researcher" seriously when he makes this ignorant statement (p. 7): "The Catholic church's objection to female ordination is based not on scripture but on tradition."
What?
Stanford, who says he is a practicing Catholic, has not consulted his own Catechism of the Catholic Church, #1577: "'Only a baptized man (vir) validly receives sacred ordination.' The Lord Jesus chose men (viri) to form the college of the twelve apostles, and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry. The college of bishops, with whom the priests are united in the priesthood, makes the college of the twelve an ever-present and ever-active reality until Christ's return. The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible."
And Stanford, practicing Catholic, has probably never consulted the Bible on the subject, being bound more to Catholic Church tradition than Scripture. Thus, I Corinthians 14:34 (ESV): "The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says." Or, I Timothy 2:11-12 (ESV): "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet." There are others.
Now, you can disagree with these teachings, you can interpret the Scripture differently, you can dispute these ideas. But, you can't say that the Catholic ban on female priests is not based on any Scripture.
It's hard to take Stanford seriously as a researcher after this.
That said, Stanford does give a reasonable feeling of an argument that just maybe a woman could have been elected Pope in the middle of the ninth century. (I am aware other historians have evidence that suggest Stanford's placement between Leo IV and Benedict III is impossible.) Definitely people in the Middle Ages thought Pope Joan was real, including people in the Catholic Church hierarchy. And, indeed, it seems that there was, at least sometimes, a ceremony and chair where the Pope was proved to be a male upon his election. (The latter need not be proof of a Pope Joan, but proof people believed in a Pope Joan.) ( )