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Bezig met laden... Het Wonderlijke Leven van Iwan Osokin (1915)door P. D. Ouspensky
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 Meld je aan bij LibraryThing om erachter te komen of je dit boek goed zult vinden. Op dit moment geen Discussie gesprekken over dit boek.  jollyavis | Dec 14, 2021 |   > LA VIE ÉTRANGE D'IVAN OS0KIN, de P.D. Ouspensky - éd. C. Bartillat. — Persuadé que s’il lui était donné de recommencer sa vie en gardant la mémoire de ce qu’il a déjà vécu, il parviendrait à orienter différemment son existence, Osokin fait marche arrière dans le temps et se retrouve adolescent. Nous avons tous rêvé de cette singulière expérience que chérissent les auteurs de science-fiction ; ici, elle inspire à Piotr Demianovich Ouspensky (Fragments d'un enseignement inconnu, éd. Stock), philosophe russe né à Moscou en 1878 et mort en 1947, une étourdissante (et implacable) variation : « Il n’y a aucune différence entre le passé et le futur : on les appelle seulement de noms différents : a été et sera. En réalité tout ceci “a été” et “sera” ». On retrouve bien là l’influence de Gurdjieff (« L’homme ne fait rien, tout lui arrive ») dont l’enseignement et les pratiques d’éveil, divulgués par Ouspensky, firent l’effet d’une bombe au début du siècle parmi les cénacles de ceux qui recherchaient une autre dimension à leur vie. L’œuvre personnelle d’Ouspensky est méconnue. Il écrivit un seul roman, cette Vie étrange d’Ivan Osokin que C. Bartillat a l’heureuse idée de traduire en français. Sur le thème de l’éternel recommencement, l’auteur trousse un récit alerte, brillant, russifiant à souhait, et d’une intelligence telle que l’esprit du lecteur s’en trouve élargi. Remarquant « avec quelle facilité on glisse dans la même ornière », Osokin nous amène à réfléchir sur notre propre existence. Ce genre rarissime d’ouvrage qui fait appel à la conscience opérante du lecteur peut être pesant : il est ici un régal absolu. (Marie-Thérèse DE BROSSES) —Nouvelles Clés, (1), Printemps 1994, (p. 81) Joop-le-philosophe | Oct 20, 2020 | ??? (  ) bnielsen | Jun 6, 2020 | Ivan Osokin es un joven de la corteza superior rusa anterior a la revolución que ha logrado despilfarrar todas las ventajas que le han otorgado las circunstancias de su vida. Cuando se encuentra con solo 30 kopeks en su nombre y se da cuenta de que está a punto de perder el amor de una joven maravillosa, en su desesperación va a ver a un mago y le ruega que lo devuelva a tiempo para una revisión del pasado. más o menos una docena de años para que pueda tomar mejores decisiones. Parte del trato es que recordará que ya lo ha pasado todo antes. El mago lo envía de regreso a su niñez en un internado y lo seguimos mientras se las arregla para arruinar todo exactamente de la misma manera que antes - desde la expulsión de la escuela hasta la pérdida de su comisión militar y el juego de su herencia en una tarde de borrachos en la mesa de la ruleta. Se encuentra una vez más con solo 30 kopeks y la pérdida de su verdadero amor. Una vez más se presenta al mago en su salón y, como era previsible, pide volver al pasado para poder tomar mejores decisiones y tener un mejor resultado. Gradualmente comienza a darse cuenta de que no importa cuántas veces vuelva, el resultado será el mismo o posiblemente peor. El mago ofrece una solución diferente: elegir la vida y saber que para tener éxito, tendrá que aprender a ser menos voluntarioso y hacer ciertos sacrificios. En el pasado, él no ha apreciado las consecuencias de sus acciones voluntarias. El mago le da algunas opciones para pensar, y mientras recorre las calles de Moscú, tiene una súbita epifanía: el mundo no cambiaría ni un ápice si no estuviera allí. STRANGE LIFE OF IVAN OSOKIN: A NOVEL At the time he wrote Strange Life of Ivan Osokin, P.D. Ouspensky was already an acclaimed author and thinker, with such major works as Tertium Organum and The Fourth Dimension to his credit. In Ivan Osokin, Ouspensky sets out to explore the idea of ‘eternal recurrence’, the theory that most humans are condemned to an infinite repetition of a single lifetime, making the same mistakes and facing the same triumphs and tragedies each time. The eponymous hero is a feckless youth, prone to pointless rebellion and easily bored. He changes little as he grows to manhood, wasting his future, squandering his inheritance and losing the woman he loves. In this parlous state, and contemplating suicide, Ivan Osokin meets a magician who agrees to send him back to attempt a conscious repetition of his life without mistakes, at the same time warning him that it will make not the slightest alteration to the outcome. Undaunted, Ivan Osokin undergoes the ritual and relives his earlier existence – with a strange and unexpected result. FundacionRosacruz | Feb 22, 2018 | Ivan Osokin es un joven de la corteza superior rusa anterior a la revolución que ha logrado despilfarrar todas las ventajas que le han otorgado las circunstancias de su vida. Cuando se encuentra con solo 30 kopeks en su nombre y se da cuenta de que está a punto de perder el amor de una joven maravillosa, en su desesperación va a ver a un mago y le ruega que lo devuelva a tiempo para una revisión del pasado. más o menos una docena de años para que pueda tomar mejores decisiones. Parte del trato es que recordará que ya lo ha pasado todo antes. El mago lo envía de regreso a su niñez en un internado y lo seguimos mientras se las arregla para arruinar todo exactamente de la misma manera que antes - desde la expulsión de la escuela hasta la pérdida de su comisión militar y el juego de su herencia en una tarde de borrachos en la mesa de la ruleta. Se encuentra una vez más con solo 30 kopeks y la pérdida de su verdadero amor. Una vez más se presenta al mago en su salón y, como era previsible, pide volver al pasado para poder tomar mejores decisiones y tener un mejor resultado. Gradualmente comienza a darse cuenta de que no importa cuántas veces vuelva, el resultado será el mismo o posiblemente peor. El mago ofrece una solución diferente: elegir la vida y saber que para tener éxito, tendrá que aprender a ser menos voluntarioso y hacer ciertos sacrificios. En el pasado, él no ha apreciado las consecuencias de sus acciones voluntarias. El mago le da algunas opciones para pensar, y mientras recorre las calles de Moscú, tiene una súbita epifanía: el mundo no cambiaría ni un ápice si no estuviera allí. FundacionRosacruz | Jan 11, 2018 |
 Much of the book was really quite painful for me to read, in part because Osokin is so relentlessly pathetic – but at the same time, he and his situation are horribly relatable. How often have we done the wrong thing and known better, wishing we were able to do better? Or how often have we done the wrong thing and realized it only a moment too late to do anything about it, beating ourselves up all the more because our error was so obvious, so avoidable in hindsight? Erelijsten
1947. The novel begins: On the screen at Kursk station in Moscow. A bright April day of 1902. A group of friends, who came to see Zinaida Krutitsky and her mother off to the Crimea, stand on the platform by the sleeping-car. Among them Ivan Osokin, a young man about twenty-six. Osokin is visibly agitated although he tries not to show it. Zinaida is talking to her brother, Michail, Osokin's friend, a young officer in the uniform of one of the Moscow Grenadier regiments and two girls. Then she turns to Osokin and walks aside with him. Geen bibliotheekbeschrijvingen gevonden. |
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You know how sometimes the character travels back in time but because of the rules of time travel, or to keep from changing the future, or because of meddling by the super-villains, nothing can be changed? This book is NOT like that. In this story, nothing changes because the protagonist is too stuck in his ways to change, even though that’s the very reason why he traveled back in time to live life again as his younger self. You think you would do things differently if you were fourteen again, but would you really? Why would you, you are the same person you were before. At first I felt very sympathetic to Ivan as he makes the identical mistakes he set out to avoid. Because being in school is so horrible. It’s easy to think if you had a chance to do it all over again you’d be a success this time, but actually it’s a no-win situation and you still wouldn’t want to do your homework. And I felt sympathetic to Ivan as he decided that this time his mother wouldn’t die. It is such an awful and impossible thing to believe, that your mother will ever die, no wonder he still can’t believe it even after he’s already lived through it. Even after he’s longed so much to see his mother again, when he does get to spend time with her, he’s churlish and uncommunicative just like he was the first time around, and he still causes her trouble that (he believes) contributes to her early death.
But it’s hard to maintain sympathy with Ivan as he spirals down through his life. The magician told him he would remember that he had traveled through time as long as he wanted to remember it, and he doesn’t want to remember anymore. Then he meets Zinaida. She’s the reason he wanted to have a second chance, a chance to win her. When we met her the first time, at the very end of their relationship, she seemed sulky and spoiled and to be toying with Ivan. But once I got to see the actual arc of their relationship, everything she did and said made a lot of sense; this was very nicely laid out. I was really just at the edge of my seat waiting to see what would happen when the loop closed. And is this the second time he’s lived through his life, or maybe the third? Can he get out of the loop? Usually, I’m pretty cavalier about spoiling the books of 1915 but I think I’ll pause here, because you probably really want to go out and read this very accessible and short science fiction novel.
I said that The Forged Note was the book of 1915 that made me think the most, but actually it was this one. This book made me think really hard about me and my life and what the hell should I do? You can’t ask for much more than that. Just in case you are too lazy to read Strange Life of Ivan Osokin, I’ll give you the fruits of my labor. Obviously, Ivan is just like me, and possibly you, so I studied his mistakes closely to see how I can avoid them. These are his problems. 1) He daydreams all the time, like me. After becoming a schoolboy again, how does he occupy his mind? By thinking about a made-up universe called Oceanis. Well, naturally. 2) He never talks to anyone about real stuff. Not once does he tell a friend, “Hey, this weird thing is happening to me. I think I traveled through time.” And he never tells Zinaida how he really feels; he just blathers on. 3) Ivan never mends fences with anyone he’s had a fight with. He just assumes they hate him forever and he writes them off. I bet an apologetic letter to his uncle would’ve gone a long way. 4) He cares what other people think about him. He gambles away his last dollar because he’s self-conscious about how he looks to a bunch of rich people. Actually, no one really cares what anyone else does and they’re all completely oblivious because they’re busy thinking about Oceanis or being caught in their loop themselves. So why bother? 5) He’s hella lazy. How about when Zinaida tries to get him a job as a civil servant and he turns it down even though he’s penniless, because he’s a poet. 6) He’s always making plans for the future, or thinking about how he did things wrong in the past. He is in the present zero percent of the time.
That’s the one that really got me, because isn’t making a catalog of your own/Ivan’s mistakes just another way to defer everything to the future or past? This one seems like the real problem, especially in a time travel scenario, which is every scenario really because in regular life you are supposedly traveling from the past into the future but all the time you are only ever in the present. Strange Life of Ivan Osokin makes it clear that everyone is going through their life as a zombie, stuck in the same patterns they’ve always been stuck in, and the only other option is to wake up. So then I got to thinking, is it really a good thing to be woke? Because if you are awake and present, that means being awake and present to a lot of extremely unpleasant experiences. Honestly there are advantages and disadvantages to being a zombie. Ultimately I decided that since being in the present is one of my wife’s very few interests I might as well be there with her since I married her and stuff.
Anyway, that’s enough about me. Another feature of Strange Life of Ivan Osokin is a recurring reference to an English fairy tale which is very haunting; I don’t know if it’s a real fairy tale or if Ouspensky made it up. And there are a few references to an upcoming revolution in Russia that are interesting. And I really like the open-ended nature of the book’s conclusion:
I wonder what he will do? I was really pleased to learn that Ouspensky has a non-fiction treatment of the same material, called A New Model of the Universe. (