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1msugovdoc
To find a government documents library near you, visit the federal depository library directory at fdlp.gov.
2vpfluke
Thanks for the clear posting on this info.
I remember when, sometime after the 1960 Census, some of the obscure data from this Census was sent to non-depository (or very limited) libraries in a computer file. I had done a paper on New England town growth while in college, and was slightly hampered because the published volumes of the 1960 Census did not have details on unincorporated townships in Maine, instead all the township data was lumped together by county. So, not very useful in a desolate area. When I moved to Detroit in 1971 and was working, I remembered that and found out that the data was in a computer record. The only library in Michigan that had this was in the Upper Peninsula. I just took a look at your link, and found three UP libraries which are depositories:
Lake Superior State University
Michigan Technological University
Northern Michigan University
I think possibly the Census data was in one of these three, and maybe this institution was not a depository library in the 1960's. I think the depository libraries were all listed in that annual Guide to Govt Docs that the Govt Printing Office put out every year (with supplements, I believe -- I don't know if this is still published or not).
In any case, I have subsequently found out that these 1960 Census files are all virtually unreadable, as computer formats have changed so much over the years. And at this point in my life, I don't need to obtain any info about obscure, virtually desolate locations in northern and eastern Maine. (I think only maybe North and South Dakota have unincorporated townships, sometimes referred to as "surveyed townships" in Maine). Maine's towns, not townships, are just like other New England towns, and many of the lower density minor civil divisions are organized as "plantations" and there is plenty of data for these.
I remember when, sometime after the 1960 Census, some of the obscure data from this Census was sent to non-depository (or very limited) libraries in a computer file. I had done a paper on New England town growth while in college, and was slightly hampered because the published volumes of the 1960 Census did not have details on unincorporated townships in Maine, instead all the township data was lumped together by county. So, not very useful in a desolate area. When I moved to Detroit in 1971 and was working, I remembered that and found out that the data was in a computer record. The only library in Michigan that had this was in the Upper Peninsula. I just took a look at your link, and found three UP libraries which are depositories:
Lake Superior State University
Michigan Technological University
Northern Michigan University
I think possibly the Census data was in one of these three, and maybe this institution was not a depository library in the 1960's. I think the depository libraries were all listed in that annual Guide to Govt Docs that the Govt Printing Office put out every year (with supplements, I believe -- I don't know if this is still published or not).
In any case, I have subsequently found out that these 1960 Census files are all virtually unreadable, as computer formats have changed so much over the years. And at this point in my life, I don't need to obtain any info about obscure, virtually desolate locations in northern and eastern Maine. (I think only maybe North and South Dakota have unincorporated townships, sometimes referred to as "surveyed townships" in Maine). Maine's towns, not townships, are just like other New England towns, and many of the lower density minor civil divisions are organized as "plantations" and there is plenty of data for these.
3msugovdoc
You are very welcome. :-)
"did not have details on unincorporated townships in Maine, instead all the township data was lumped together by county. So, not very useful in a desolate area."
Oh, I agree! It's maddening, isn't it? But...the Census Bureau has deemed it thus, so...
I grew up on an island called Jamestown in Narragansett Bay, Rhode Island. I miss New England but I love it down here in Louisiana too.
And yes, the guide you refer to did have a listing of depository libraries, but now it is called the FDLP Handbook and it is online at http://www.fdlp.gov/handbook/index.html
and the listing of depository libraries is now on the link I gave to you that you searched with:
http://catalog.gpo.gov/fdlpdir/FDLPdir.jsp
I'm sorry that the files were so undreadable. What a shame! That's the problem with online/electronic technology...and that is why digital preservation and archiving initiatives are so very very important.
"did not have details on unincorporated townships in Maine, instead all the township data was lumped together by county. So, not very useful in a desolate area."
Oh, I agree! It's maddening, isn't it? But...the Census Bureau has deemed it thus, so...
I grew up on an island called Jamestown in Narragansett Bay, Rhode Island. I miss New England but I love it down here in Louisiana too.
And yes, the guide you refer to did have a listing of depository libraries, but now it is called the FDLP Handbook and it is online at http://www.fdlp.gov/handbook/index.html
and the listing of depository libraries is now on the link I gave to you that you searched with:
http://catalog.gpo.gov/fdlpdir/FDLPdir.jsp
I'm sorry that the files were so undreadable. What a shame! That's the problem with online/electronic technology...and that is why digital preservation and archiving initiatives are so very very important.
4vpfluke
Bascially the MCD's in Southern New England are pretty consistent. Counties are almost out the window in all three states, but the towns have quite stable borders.
In Maine, you have unoccupied areas mostly in surveyed townships, and then there are the usual cities and towns for the settled areas, added to this are plantations in marginally settled areas, and things like gores and points in left-over areas. New Hampshite has left-over areas too, using words like gore, grant, location to describe them. I don't think Vermont has these, but there are two towns there whose governmental structure no longer exists due to their population being close to 0. (Somerset and Glastenbury, both not too far from Bennington). About 50 years ago, people wrote about these 'rotten boroughs' as each place had a family one of whom was a state legislature for their town (i.e. family).
Regarding Jamestown, RI, my stepfather worked there as a Naval Officer when there was a radar station at Beavertail Point. I am also supposed to have an ancestor on my mother's side from Jamestown. But Jamestown is a fully functioning town, and data about it from the Census is only restricted due to its smaller population not being large enough for some of the sampled results. (I not sure that anything has been published for Jamestown in the ACS - American Community Survey).
In Maine, you have unoccupied areas mostly in surveyed townships, and then there are the usual cities and towns for the settled areas, added to this are plantations in marginally settled areas, and things like gores and points in left-over areas. New Hampshite has left-over areas too, using words like gore, grant, location to describe them. I don't think Vermont has these, but there are two towns there whose governmental structure no longer exists due to their population being close to 0. (Somerset and Glastenbury, both not too far from Bennington). About 50 years ago, people wrote about these 'rotten boroughs' as each place had a family one of whom was a state legislature for their town (i.e. family).
Regarding Jamestown, RI, my stepfather worked there as a Naval Officer when there was a radar station at Beavertail Point. I am also supposed to have an ancestor on my mother's side from Jamestown. But Jamestown is a fully functioning town, and data about it from the Census is only restricted due to its smaller population not being large enough for some of the sampled results. (I not sure that anything has been published for Jamestown in the ACS - American Community Survey).
5msugovdoc
Yes, I can't find anything on Jamestown, RI and the ACS either. But that's cool that your stepfather worked there! I know exactly the area you are talking about. My friend lives in the house that is built on top of the old bunker/radar station area. He has old ham radios all over the place. He's a military history buff and collects ham radios and WWII memorabilia. There were also German POW re-education camps there, did you know that? Such interesting history...
6HeathMochaFrost
This is completely off-topic --- I think I must have been at or near Beavertail Point once. A guy friend brought me there a LONG time ago, and I later wrote a poem about it called "Beavertail." I was there at night, and all I remember is the beach and a lighthouse. (I'm originally from Massachusetts, near the Rhode Island line.) I was just skimming through the messages and saw "Beavertail" - small world!
Slightly more on-topic, I'm not strictly a gov docs librarian, but a librarian in a state agency, so am surrounded by state, federal, and university publications. But my LT is catalog is MY books, not those of the library where I work. ;-)
Slightly more on-topic, I'm not strictly a gov docs librarian, but a librarian in a state agency, so am surrounded by state, federal, and university publications. But my LT is catalog is MY books, not those of the library where I work. ;-)
7vpfluke
I did know about re-education camps at Beavertail -- I'll have to ask my stepfather about them when I see him in about two weeks.
Regarding the ACS, Jamestown is too small to have naything in th ACS at this point in time. So far, we only have good data for two years 2005 and 2006. When 2007 data becomes available at the end of Summer 2008, we will get data averaged from three years, and Jamestown might then get some stats. Right now we are only getting decent data from places that 65,000 population or over.
Gosh, I just took a look at Jamestown' population and it is only 5,600: with that small a number we probably won't get any ACS data until 2010.
Regarding the ACS, Jamestown is too small to have naything in th ACS at this point in time. So far, we only have good data for two years 2005 and 2006. When 2007 data becomes available at the end of Summer 2008, we will get data averaged from three years, and Jamestown might then get some stats. Right now we are only getting decent data from places that 65,000 population or over.
Gosh, I just took a look at Jamestown' population and it is only 5,600: with that small a number we probably won't get any ACS data until 2010.
8vpfluke
I forgot to mention that in 2010 the Census Bureau will start publishing 5 year averages (in this case, for ACS data collected 2005-2009), and hopefully Jamestown will get into this sweep.
The problem is that ACS over a five year period still has a smaller sample size than did the regular census for the 2000 Census year.
The problem is that ACS over a five year period still has a smaller sample size than did the regular census for the 2000 Census year.
