Mark 10:35-45 "Teacher do for us whatever we ask"
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1richardbsmith
Mark 10:35-45
James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came forward to him and said to him, “Teacher, we want you to do for us whatever we ask of you.”
And he said to them, “What is it you want me to do for you?”
And they said to him, “Grant us to sit, one at your right hand and one at your left, in your glory.”
But Jesus said to them, “You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, or be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?”
They replied, “We are able.”
Then Jesus said to them, “The cup that I drink you will drink; and with the baptism with which I am baptized, you will be baptized; but to sit at my right hand or at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared.”
When the ten heard this, they began to be angry with James and John. So Jesus called them and said to them, “You know that among the Gentiles those whom they recognize as their rulers lord it over them,and their great ones are tyrants over them. But it is not so among you;but whoever wishes to become great among you must be your servant,
and whoever wishes to be first among you must be slave of all.
For the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life a ransom for many.”
James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came forward to him and said to him, “Teacher, we want you to do for us whatever we ask of you.”
And he said to them, “What is it you want me to do for you?”
And they said to him, “Grant us to sit, one at your right hand and one at your left, in your glory.”
But Jesus said to them, “You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, or be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?”
They replied, “We are able.”
Then Jesus said to them, “The cup that I drink you will drink; and with the baptism with which I am baptized, you will be baptized; but to sit at my right hand or at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared.”
When the ten heard this, they began to be angry with James and John. So Jesus called them and said to them, “You know that among the Gentiles those whom they recognize as their rulers lord it over them,and their great ones are tyrants over them. But it is not so among you;but whoever wishes to become great among you must be your servant,
and whoever wishes to be first among you must be slave of all.
For the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life a ransom for many.”
2richardbsmith
In Mark chapter 10, there are two significan pericopes that are omitted in Luke. One is the teaching about divorce. The second is this account of the request of James and John.
Matthew does have a version of the request.
Why would Luke have omitted the story? Maybe to soften any criticism of the two beloved disciples? I actually do not think Luke omitted the story for this reason. It seems to me more likely that Luke did not have a version of Mark that had the story, reference here is to the Proto Mark hypothesis.
Matthew does have a version of the request.
Why would Luke have omitted the story? Maybe to soften any criticism of the two beloved disciples? I actually do not think Luke omitted the story for this reason. It seems to me more likely that Luke did not have a version of Mark that had the story, reference here is to the Proto Mark hypothesis.
3richardbsmith
Comparing Mark's version to Matthew's version gives some significant differences:
1. The most glaring difference is that Matthew has James and John's mother make the request. Mark has James and John ask for themselves.
This of course leads to the question which is primary - Matthew or Mark?
2. In the first half of the two versions there are some noticeable language differences: different Greek word for "left", "kingdom" vs "glory", and Mark adds language about the baptism not in Matthew.
Generally from verse 23 on, the language is very similar, all the way to verse 45.
So how should these differences be accounted, and what should be understood from them about the writer's purpose?
1. The most glaring difference is that Matthew has James and John's mother make the request. Mark has James and John ask for themselves.
This of course leads to the question which is primary - Matthew or Mark?
2. In the first half of the two versions there are some noticeable language differences: different Greek word for "left", "kingdom" vs "glory", and Mark adds language about the baptism not in Matthew.
Generally from verse 23 on, the language is very similar, all the way to verse 45.
So how should these differences be accounted, and what should be understood from them about the writer's purpose?
4richardbsmith
In Matthew's version, the exchange shifts quickly from the mother's request to Jesus talking with the disciples. And the subsequent language is very close between the two versions.
Based on that, it seems to me that the Mark account is primary, and that Matthew had the mother request on their behalf inorder soften the criticism.
It seems to me that Mark added the baptism language that is not in Matthew. Assuming a Proto Mark A version that Matthew and Mark both used which did not make reference to baptism, Mark saw eucharistic language in the reference to "the cup which I am about to drink."
Recognizing eucharistic language, Mark added baptismal language, a furrther Markan detail. This seems more likely than Matthew dropping the baptismal language.
Based on that, it seems to me that the Mark account is primary, and that Matthew had the mother request on their behalf inorder soften the criticism.
It seems to me that Mark added the baptism language that is not in Matthew. Assuming a Proto Mark A version that Matthew and Mark both used which did not make reference to baptism, Mark saw eucharistic language in the reference to "the cup which I am about to drink."
Recognizing eucharistic language, Mark added baptismal language, a furrther Markan detail. This seems more likely than Matthew dropping the baptismal language.
5richardbsmith
How this ties in with the teaching that accompanies this center piece of the 3 predictions?
It seems to me that the teaching is a perfect final instruction for the disciples. In the kingdom, the priorities are not the same as they are in the secular world.
With the 3rd prediction, this point is emphasized with the inclusion of the Jewish authorities (possibly in their secular roles) and the Gentiles in the way of showing that Jesus and his teaching are mocked, scourged, spit upon and killed by secular authority.
In the kingdom the greatest is the least.
And the Son of Man came to serve and to give his life.
This is teaching to point to the community sacramental identity and to provide encouragement against contemporary suffering and persecution.
It seems to me that the teaching is a perfect final instruction for the disciples. In the kingdom, the priorities are not the same as they are in the secular world.
With the 3rd prediction, this point is emphasized with the inclusion of the Jewish authorities (possibly in their secular roles) and the Gentiles in the way of showing that Jesus and his teaching are mocked, scourged, spit upon and killed by secular authority.
In the kingdom the greatest is the least.
And the Son of Man came to serve and to give his life.
This is teaching to point to the community sacramental identity and to provide encouragement against contemporary suffering and persecution.
